Rangers fans

[all_funkt_up]

Getting a lot of bad press today, stories of riot Police being called in, fights breaking out and such like. 5-Live has been full of people ringing and texting in saying Manchester is like a tip, with cans and bottles all over the place & apparently there was a bit of argy bargy too when one of the big screens broke prior to kick off and 30’000 fans made their displeasure known.fficeffice" />

To be fair though 30 arrests out of an estimated 150’000 people (that’s according to Greater Manchester Police) is absolutely fuck all.

Pisses me off this, Manchester City Council and GMP turn a blind eye to tens of thousands of fans drinking all day in the streets and squares of the city (which is illegal by the way) and then moan when (a) things kick off and (b) there’s loads of rubbish lying around.

What the hell do they expect?

They encourage people to their city for a big piss up on a nice hot day and then are “shocked and appalled” when people are pissing in the streets or discarding their empty tinnies on the floor.

Where do you expect them to piss? Where do you expect them to put their empties? And I’m sorry but 30 arrests is fuck all for such a massive gathering of people.

I wish people would lay off football fans for a change.

[Wittmann 44]

I agree. For the numbers involved its very minor. Manchester City Council wanted it both ways - they wanted the revenue from an hotels and an all day drinking & eating session without accepting that there was always going to be some trouble.

Great quote from a Rangers fan on the BBC website about the trouble - "Some people are really angry. They've spent a lot of money - maybe £4,000 to £5,000 - to come down here for this." Where did they come from exactly ? Mars?

[rcgills]

I'd guess that many of the people complaining the place is like a tip would've been quite happy not to have invited all of those Scots to Manchester for a piss-up in the first place - it's not like everyone encouraged them down there to begin with and then complained afterwards.

You're right though, that 30 arrests from all those people isn't that many really.

[keemanan]

What the fuk were they supposed to do?
Why do we need this sort of revenue?
We hosted the commonwealth games and champs league final without any bother , you name me one city in the world who could cope with 100,000 people intent on drinking themselves stupid , without tickets, and pissing in the streets leaving it stinking of urine?

[Wittmann 44]

You didn't ask to get up this morning Keema and go to work through streets full of rubbish and piss but someone in power there in Manchester decided that it was alright to sell booze from early on, to allow people to drink openly in the streets and to flaunt what is the law of the land the other 364 days of the year. What happened shouldn't surprise anyone.

If I ran Manchester I'd be levying a clean up fine on the off licenses, bars and pubs in the area. They get to fill their boots while Joe tax paying public gets it in the neck.

[keemanan]

What exactly were they supposed to do to stop it?
Rangers fans are responsible for their own behavoiur just as I am and you are.
Manchester decided to create a caqrnival atmosphere for the travelling hordes , treat them like adults, then 1 screen brakes and they use this as an excuse to riot and fight the police and themselves.
Incedently the engineer who tried to fix the screen was pelted with bottles and decided to fuk off home and who can blame him.
idiots

[Beanie]

This is a poor show - esp at the end. Policeman did well to get away. Knobs.

[AnothrSpacecat]

id love to say im shocked and surprised but im really not, this was always going to happen, im not sure what kind of following manchester council thought rangers brought with them but they were mis informed

if the police were not out numbered 100/1 there wouldve been alot more arrests.

[crowie]

Originally Posted by all_funkt_up

Getting a lot of bad press today, stories of riot Police being called in, fights breaking out and such like. 5-Live has been full of people ringing and texting in saying Manchester is like a tip, with cans and bottles all over the place & apparently there was a bit of argy bargy too when one of the big screens broke prior to kick off and 30’000 fans made their displeasure known

To be fair though 30 arrests out of an estimated 150’000 people (that’s according to Greater Manchester Police) is absolutely fuck all

Pisses me off this, Manchester City Council and GMP turn a blind eye to tens of thousands of fans drinking all day in the streets and squares of the city (which is illegal by the way) and then moan when (a) things kick off and (b) there’s loads of rubbish lying aroundWhat the hell do they expect

They encourage people to their city for a big piss up on a nice hot day and then are “shocked and appalled” when people are pissing in the streets or discarding their empty tinnies on the floor.


Where do you expect them to piss? Where do you expect them to put their empties? And I’m sorry but 30 arrests is fuck all for such a massive gathering of people.

I wish people would lay off football fans for a change

The number of the arrests is not the factor, its the general behaviour.

Uefa Cup Final: Manchester Clears Up After Rangers Fans Clash With Police |Sky News|UK News

Good honest behaviour in the link above, "Argy bargy", or how about pack of wolves. All I can say is thank fuck that police man got up quickly as that lot weren't stopping.


I would suggest there was only 40 odd arrests as the police admit they were over stretched by the numbers involved. Plenty more could have been lifted if they the manpower to do so.

Also GMP had no option but to turn a blind eye to the drinking, again the numbers involved meant it was IMPOSSIBLE to police a no drinking ban in the city centre.


Also they didn't ENCOURAGE people to come to Manchester to get pissed up, the message up until last week was "Stay away if you do not have a ticket". When they realised the numbers intent on travelling they had no option but to put up big screens. Check the BBC site, was only about last week that MCC decided to make fanzones for the final and put up big screens, until then they had no intention of doing this....but again numbers forced it. They should have stuck to their guns.


Sorry AFU but your values seem to be big crowd + loads of bevvy = 100% guaranteed trouble. Thats bollocks, it should never be that way. I am not making this point for petty Old Firm our fans are better than your fans point scoring but go and look at 80,000 Celtic fans in Seville and find me more than a handful of individual incidents throughout the 3 days. You will struggle. 80,000 people can get bevvied out of their heads at T in the Park without feeling the need to trash the place.


Overall, yes the number of arrests was low and the behaviour of many many fans was good, they got bevvied, that was it, but judging this as a "success" due to only 40+ arrests is wrong, there was significant degrees of bad behaviour/trouble from much more than a handful of people. The Rangers fans I know are all decent folk but there was undoubtable a high number of "bammers" amongst the Rangers support yesterday.

Originally Posted by keemanan

Incedently the engineer who tried to fix the screen was pelted with bottles and decided to fuk off home and who can blame him.idiots

Aye, cos that will really make him work a bit faster, a bottle round the heid. The levels of intelligence (lack off) that they showed was staggering.

And then they turned on each other and were (trying) to knock lumps from each other, ITV news last night showing a handful of fat fucks punching each other. Also You Tube on Rangers Fans in Manchester, there is a clip about 90 sec long, 30 seconds in one Rangers fan banjoes another stone cold out. I mean WTF.


I did say to you/Slick etc a few weeks ago to "lock up your daughters/pets/etc", as you can see, I wasn't joking.

[Wittmann 44]

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What exactly were they supposed to do to stop it?

Once things kick of riot wise getting the genie back in the bottle is very difficult. It shouldn't have been allowed to get to that stage. Alcohol consumption on a massive scale didn't help things and at a minimum not selling alcohol from the early hours (especially in off licenses) would have been a massive plus. Instead the decision was made to make a quick buck and consequences be damned.

Paddys day in ffice:smarttags" />Dublin was a nightmare for the last few years due to drunken mobs from early in the morning making things a misery for people who wanted to just enjoy the parade. Over 150 were arrested two years ago. Tourists were routinely robbed and mugged and some misfortunate usually ended up in a critical condition in intensive care.

This year off licenses were stopped selling booze before 7 in the evening and public order offences were down 80%. Friends who went into town said it was the most enjoyable in years.

Expecting some drunken football fans to act like human beings and not animals is an optimistic view of human nature. Without alcohol fuelling the mob things would not have been anyway as bad as they turned out.

Anyone as incapacitated as some of the people on TV were last night should have been locked up. For their own good and for everyone elses. The police were outnumbered badly and public order suffered accordingly.

[keemanan]

Anyone as incapacitated as some of the people on TV were last night should have been locked up. For their own good and for everyone elses. The police were outnumbered badly and public order suffered accordingly.

So where do we lock up 20,000 people?

Alcohol consumption on a massive scale didn't help things and at a minimum not selling alcohol from the early hours (especially in off licenses) would have been a massive plus.

Yes , prohibition always works a treat.
You are defending the indefensible whittman , these scumbags have disgraced their club

[Wittmann 44]

You are putting words in my mouth if you think I support any of last night’s antics. If there’s one thing I’m not is defending them. Their behaviour was a disgrace. They are an embarrassment to their club and to themselves.

What I am saying is that the worst of it could have been avoided. What I am saying is that trouble should have been anticipated and measures put in place to avoid it.

You’re also putting words in my mouth with the “P” word which I did not at any time mention. Prohibition implies some sort of blanket ban over an extended period of time. I merely said that some sort of curfew be placed on the sale of alcohol before a certain time. Hardly 1920s Chicago to allow only the sale of alcohol (for a single day) from off licenses after 4 or 5. The Paddy’s day experiment was deemed a huge success here in Dublin and almost all the off licenses complied voluntarily. Many sporting events don’t allow alcohol consumption within their grounds so the link between crowd trouble and excessive boozeing is implicitly already acknowledged.

I go to most of the Irish home games but I will seriously be considering whether I will in the future take my son to any with me especially the Saturday night kick offs which seem to get worse and worse in terms of the drunken scumbags that turn up.

If the sale of alcohol had been controlled better you would be talking about maybe locking up a few hundred people at the most. Hardly beyond the authorities.

The same scenes incidentally will be played out in Moscow next week as the Russians being a nation of drunks don’t give a curse about public drunkedness. Their bone headed neo Nazi supporters will beat and probably kill someone and the police will beat some English fans within an inch of their life. Most of it booze fuelled.

[keemanan]

Any kind of ban wouldn't have worked as I saw lots of Rangers fans in my local supermarket buying crates of ale and half drove down with a boot full of ale.

I hear what you are saying whittman but I'm of the mind that it's the people who actually riot who are to blame and not shops selling drinks.
I hope they track down these animals , especially those brave 20 or so kicking that policemans head in when he fell on the youtube clip, the policeman was doing his job ffs!

[GaNgStA kEeKs]

Tell you something, the Rangers fans i know....they are alright to me and people they know but they are absolute cnuts to everyone else.

I still feel Rangers fans especially have a real hooligan element still to their support more than any other team in the SPL for sure.

League to be decided next Thursday at Pittodrie and i dread to think of the trouble that will come from this is Rangers lose the league here. I think it could get very very dangerous thats for sure.

[Snodser]

Don't know why anyone is surprised, the occasions where football fans get together in large numbers without any incidents are the exception rather than the rule. Even if rangers had won there would have been some trouble, albeit to a lesser degree.

God help those travelling to Moscow, the locals will be out in force & there will be no point going to the police. They try to shake you down & if you refuse its a night in the cells, probably safer with the local yobs!

You do see trouble at other sports, but not like soccer .