Rangers fans

[AnothrSpacecat]

Originally Posted by Yen_Sid

Rangers name certainly not mud spacecat (before this week ) .....

............Like I said, can only be a mentality thing and these tubes shouldn't be considered true Gers fans.

just reading over this again now and i think it was this that set me off replying to sid. in an ideal world what he said would be true but sadly as ive moaned about, rangers name has been considered mud for a long time and the truth is the culprits are as much a part of the club as yen sid or anybody else is. you only need to look at old footage from ibrox just 5 years ago where there were 40k+ singing hello hello and the other words to simply the best, nevermind what we hear in rangers clubs all over the uk, no minority at all.

anyway i said my piece earlier and just wanted to clear up what i was replying to, rather than just randomly spouting about tha peepil.

[Winrew]

singing hello hello and the other words to simply the best

As a non-scottish person , whats that all about ?

As for the hooligans being Rangers fans , well , they certainly aint proper fans as most Rangers fans would tell you, and i would be surprised if the club would tolerate this if the thugs were identified via CCTV.

[AnothrSpacecat]

its one of the many songs that have been banned form ibrox on the grounds of sectarian imagery. theres dozens of them, if rangers name wasnt mud before manchester then uefa wouldnt of had to enforce a change in the clubs attitude to bigotted chanting

heres a clip of he rangers minority ruining it for everybody else at the riverside

[AnothrSpacecat]

simply the best yes ok

[Winrew]

its one of the many songs that have been banned form ibrox on the grounds of sectarian imagery

Well , isnt that a start that the club have banned these sort of songs ?
They realise that they have a problem , and seem to be doing something about it.

I am not stupid , i know that Rangers and Celtic are not the best of buddys , but surely most of the fans of each club socalise through the week or work in the same place,or am i stpid afterall ?

[AnothrSpacecat]

for themos part yeah they would mix solcially, in scotland, but the point of banning such songs is more for the image they send across the irish sea where either side is seen as glorifying the troubles. not that most of the folk in the clips bove and others have a scooby doo about those

i did say a few posts back its brilliant that rangers and celtic are trying to do something about it, its not the clubs who have been the problem, its the fans.

[Tom Sawyer]

from being down south win,you probably don't understand,but basically rangers had a policy of not signing catholics up until graeme souness signed mo johnson, sir alex ferguson was hounded out because he married a catholic as was gordon dazliel for the same reason, celtic was founded bye an irish priest in a part of glasgow where most of the irish imigrants lived, celtics policy has always been to sign anybody regaurdles of colour creed or religion, but there suppourt was mainly catholic, its funny though i know a lot of prodestants that follow celtic but don't know many catholics that follow rangers, but personally i think rangers sweep things wednesday under the carpet like martin bain keeps repeating that those involved in the manchester riots were not attached to rangers, is he fcuking blind, a couple of seasons ago they played inter milan behind closed doors all that were there were staff from ibrox and all you could hear were drunken sectarain songs and what did they do about that, it must be a big carpet they have at ibrox, to me rangers as a club are rotten to the core, they need to make changes inside before they start outside, i always remember my pal saying to me at ibrox a few seasons ago when some fcuking idot was flashing a red hand of ulster flag in our face, big j said to me how the fcuk can wee have indipendence in this country when here you cnuts here with ulster, england, union jack flags and go over the other side of the city all you get is fcuking irish tricolours all over the place,i dare any one from down south to come up to any big town in the west of scotland when the bigot brothers play,it's like baghdad, don't get me wrong they both have thousands of decent fans it's just the other thousands thats attatched to them for the wrong reasons.

[Cinny]

YouTube - rangers in manchester city centre, smashing the place up

just seen this, rangers fans fighting with each other, 28 seconds in some fella gets levelled! absolute madness.

[crowie]

Christ we could be here all day if we started on songs that Celtic or Rangers sing.

As said above, Rangers have stopped playing Simply The Best because the words "Fuck the Pope and the IRA" fitted superbly into part of it. 5 years ago on European nights it was number 1 on the Ibrox DJ's playlist though.

They have also binned The Billy Boys which contains lines about being "up to our knees in Fenian blood". However other songs are still allowed such as


Follow Follow

Follow Follow We Will Follow Rangers
Everywhere Anywhere We Will Follow On.
Dundee Hamilton Aberdeen And Back Again
If They Go To Dublin We Will Follow On

For Theres Not A Team Like The Glasgow Rangers
No Not One And There Never Shall Be One
Celtic know All About There Troubles
We Will Fight Till The Day Is Done
For Theres Not A Team Like The Glasgow Rangers
No Not One And There Never Shall Be One.


Now you might wonder why they are so worried about following their team all the way to Hamilton, of all places, that mighty historic Scottish side who have been neck and neck with Rangers all these years.

Well the version above is the "clean" one as Hamilton rhymes fantastically with "Fuck the Pope and the Vatican........" so it was "Dundee, Hamilton, Fuck the Pope and the Vatican, if we go to Dublin we will follow on".


I am also sure that the Sash is still allowed (could be wrong), all about the 12th of July and the Battle of the Boyne, 1690.

It is old but it is beautiful.
Its colours they are fine
It was worn at Derry, Aughrim,
Enniskillen and the Boyne
My Father wore it as a youth
in the bygone days of yore
And its on the Twelfth I long to wear,
the Sash my Father wore.


And also Derrys Walls, singing about James and his rebel band/scum and hearts and hands and swords and shield and guarding old Derrys Walls. The chorus starts off with the "No Surrender" stuff that I highlighted to Sid in another thread and sings about "Surrender or you'll die".


Now the strange thing up here is what is defined as Sectarian and what isn't.


Personally I still couldn't tell you (much like the new offiside law), what is and what isn't sectarian. Obviously talking about fucking the pope and being up to your knees in Fenian blood is but all the other songs, which I am sure are all still on the "playlist" at Ibrox. All in some way refer to troubles/battles in Norn Iron many moons ago, fighting, not surredering, dying if you do etc etc.


Many will claim they are simply folk songs, which they are I suppose, and in much the same way that Flower of Scotland refers to sending the English homewards to think again....


What have they got to do with football...................fuck all IMO.


But then some of Celtics best songs don't have a a footballing theme. Fields of Athenry on European nights makes the hairs stand up on the back of your neck.....but its about someone being jailed and sent to Botany Bay during the potato famine, simply for stealing corn from a rich English lord to feed his own family. It actually doesn't have anything to do with football.

Likewise

This land is your land, this land is my land
From the northern highlands to the western islands
From the hills of Kerry to the streets of (Free) Derry
This land was made for you and me


Which talks about our land being Ireland..........


Thankfully Celtic have ditched a lot/most/nearly all of the pro IRA rebel stuff that used to be sung, although you will no doubt still hear it at away games, especially outside the ground before hand. There also seems to have been a downturn in the singing of the Irish National Anthem, the Soldiers Song. These have been replaced by more traditional Celtic songs from years gone by such as Hail Hail and the fantastic Willie Maley Song seems to be a favourite now.


Oh Willie Maley was his name,
He brought some great names to the game,
When he was the boss at Celtic Park.

Taught them how to play football,
He made the greatest of them all,
Gallagher and Quinn have left their mark.

And they gave us James McGrory and Paul McStay,
They gave us Johnstone, Tully, Murdoch, Auld and Hay,
And most of the football greats,
Have passed through Parkhead's gates,
All to play football the Glasgow Celtic way.



Overall though, going back to Rangers, there has been a fair bit of effort. However their songs that seem to be still allowed are still a bit "confrontational" as opposed to the Celtic "folk" songs being more ballady type stuff.


The one problem however still with Rangers is that they seem to be adding new songs, as old ones are taken away which, while not being entirely Sectarian in nature do fall into the "fucking bad taste" territory when singing them.


The new favourites being "Big Jock Knew", repeated incessantly, and glorifying the fact that there was a fellow who was in charge of Celtic Boys Club in the 70's who was later done for abusing some of the young lads. Not worth having a go at him, they decided to have a slag at our greatest ever manager. Ohh and the new favourite

Why Don't You Go Home
Why Don't You Go Home
The Famines Over
Why Don't You Go Home


A nice little ditty suggesting all Celtic fans go back to Ireland now that the famines finished Replace Famine with say for example "Slave Trade" and you can imagine how quickly the media would jump on that one..................

Ohh and one about Nakamura eating their dogs, cos they think all people with slanty eyes eat dogs and can't really tell the different between Japanese and Koeans. They all look alike it seems..........


Still work to be done on both sides but as I said at the start, if you wanted to start looking at songs sung by the OF you could be here for a very long time...........

[Punter]

Why Don't You Go Home
Why Don't You Go Home
The Famines Over
Why Don't You Go Home


A nice little ditty suggesting all Celtic fans go back to Ireland now that the famines finished Replace Famine with say for example "Slave Trade" and you can imagine how quickly the media would jump on that one..................

Ohh and one about Nakamura eating their dogs, cos they think all people with slanty eyes eat dogs and can't really tell the different between Japanese and Koeans. They all look alike it seems..........

Fcuk me do you really take offence to that, that's nothing more than football banter in England.
I've come to the conclusion that both Rangers and Celtic are both a big bunch of fannies who get upset by the slightest comments about each other.

[Snodser]

Only guessing at various nationalities here but how would people react to "shoah" replacing "famine". Not very well I think

[crowie]

Originally Posted by Kop66

Fcuk me do you really take offence to that, that's nothing more than football banter in England.
I've come to the conclusion that both Rangers and Celtic are both a big bunch of fannies who get upset by the slightest comments about each other.

Kop, excusing your ignorance here but I assume you have no understanding of the make up of Glasgow/West Coast of Scotland/Scotland itself and how its came about over the last 150 years?

So Liverpool are playing Everton, Ryan Babels on the wing. Everton start

Why don't you go home
Why don't you go home
The slave trade is over
Why don't you go home


Or Liverpool to Steven Piennar

Apartheid is over..........




Banter? Acceptable to you? Any difference from "Ain't no black on the Union Jack, send the bastards back"? After all, all 3 songs are suggesting that someone leaves the country because of their race.


Just wondering why, if you are offended by the above (and I would hope you are!) then you think the famine one is just "banter".

[Punter]

Kop, excusing your ignorance here but I assume you have no understanding of the make up of Glasgow/West Coast of Scotland/Scotland itself and how its came about over the last 150 years?

Little, but like you say, it's 150 years ago, before me, before you, before our grandparents, you should all of moved on by now.

So Liverpool are playing Everton, Ryan Babels on the wing. Everton start

Why don't you go home
Why don't you go home
The slave trade is over
Why don't you go home


Or Liverpool to Steven Piennar

Apartheid is over..........




Banter? Acceptable to you? Any difference from "Ain't no black on the Union Jack, send the bastards back"? After all, all 3 songs are suggesting that someone leaves the country because of their race.


Just wondering why, if you are offended by the above (and I would hope you are!) then you think the famine one is just "banter".

No, i'm not offended by it, it's in poor taste and i dont really like it but i dont want to go killing anyone for it, i'm not going to let it rile me for days/weeks/months on end, i'm not going to go leaving the wanker emoticon after everytime one of the opposition posts something (yen Sid).

Threads about Celtic and Rangers should be locked imediatley cause none of you can handle the past. Move on.

[crowie]

Originally Posted by Kop66

No, i'm not offended by it, it's in poor taste and i dont really like it.

So you wouldn't think a song like that is racist then? All part of the "banter" for you down there is it?

Originally Posted by Kop66

Threads about Celtic and Rangers should be locked imediatley cause none of you can handle the past. Move on.

Or alternatively people who don't know what they are talking about could avoid posting in them

[Snodser]

Originally Posted by Kop66

none of you can handle the past. Move on.

As neither a Rangers or Celtic fan can I say I think you are missing the point. Its not about "handling" its about "understanding".
90% of the people who sing those songs probably have little or no idea what they are on about, or the understand the "culture" they are trying to defend. Its simple bigotry.

Not ness. their fault. The education system in the UK is pretty poor so most of these unfortunates rely on myths presented as fact. They clan together and football provides an escape. The fact that they are "gers" or "bhoys " is an accident of birth, no more, no less, but beyond most of them. (May I add I'm referring to the fools who were fighting , not the ordinary lad who brings his son down to watch a game like his Dad did with him....to enjoy the soccer & the banter.)

I find the songs offensive, but won't be getting riled about it.
I think its sad, I have nothing against banter but that is just racism. Worse its mindless racism. I blame a lack of education & more so a lack of will to educate themselves.

I suppose the most frightening thing is they have a right to vote.