[MickeyPaul]

Wasn't it the Norwegian fella who wore the wellies though? If it wasn't for his wellies, where would he be?

[Kop66]

I know Souness was nowhere near as good a manager as he was a player but i think he's being a little hard done by being put in at no:1


Honours as manager

Rangers
Winners
1986-87 Scottish League Cup
1986-87 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
1987-88 Scottish League Cup
1988-89 Scottish League Cup
1988-89 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
1989-90 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
1990-91 Scottish League Cup
1990-91 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
Runner up
1988-89 Scottish Cup
1989-90 Scottish League Cup

Liverpool
Winners
1991-92 FA Cup
Runner up
1992-93 Charity Shield

Galatasaray
Winners
1995-96 Turkish Cup
1996-97 Turkish Super Cup

Benfica
Runner up
1997-98 Portuguese First Division

Blackburn Rovers
Winners
2001-02 League Cup
Runner up
2000-01 Football League First Division (Level 2) Promotion

Captain Marvel is by far the worst manager for me, how many clubs has he relegated?

[Cinny]

Bryan Robson should definatly be in that list just look at sheff utd now that hes gone they should have atleast been in the play offs, hes been a disaster near everywhere he goes!!

Also have to agree Glenn Roeder doesnt deserve to be in the last when he took over Norwich they looked league 1 bound but he turned things around.

[Seen]

Instead we were looking for incompetence on a grander scale: the maverick philosophies that were always destined for disaster, the individual actions that had the most devastating effects on the clubs they managed, and the inflated reputations in need of reappraisal.

Why the fuck isn't that cunt Lawrie McMenemy there, then?

[andeeeee]

Originally Posted by MickeyPaul

Wasn't it the Norwegian fella who wore the wellies though? If it wasn't for his wellies, where would he be?

egil olsen is the bloke .

[Bigkegman]

Originally Posted by Kop66

I know Souness was nowhere near as good a manager as he was a player but i think he's being a little hard done by being put in at no:1


Honours as manager

Rangers
Winners
1986-87 Scottish League Cup
1986-87 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
1987-88 Scottish League Cup
1988-89 Scottish League Cup
1988-89 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
1989-90 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
1990-91 Scottish League Cup
1990-91 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
Runner up
1988-89 Scottish Cup
1989-90 Scottish League Cup

Liverpool
Winners
1991-92 FA Cup
Runner up
1992-93 Charity Shield

Galatasaray
Winners
1995-96 Turkish Cup
1996-97 Turkish Super Cup

Benfica
Runner up
1997-98 Portuguese First Division

Blackburn Rovers
Winners
2001-02 League Cup
Runner up
2000-01 Football League First Division (Level 2) Promotion

Captain Marvel is by far the worst manager for me, how many clubs has he relegated?

rightly or wronglt souness changes the face of scottish football. i was at easter road to see him get sent of inhis first player / manager role but dont think he was the worst. he bought the mighty names of colin west, chris wood, ray wilkins etc etc to name a few

[Bigkegman]

chris woods before anybody shouts

[andeeeee]

Originally Posted by Cinny

Bryan Robson should definatly be in that list just look at sheff utd now that hes gone they should have atleast been in the play offs, hes been a disaster near everywhere he goes!!

Also have to agree Glenn Roeder doesnt deserve to be in the last when he took over Norwich they looked league 1 bound but he turned things around.

afew stats of the great robbo

[edit] Managerial stats

Includes all competitive games. Updated 13 February 2008.^[62]

Team	Nat	From	To	Record
				G	W	L	D	Win %
Middlesbrough		31 May 1994	6 December 2000	314	127	101	86	40.44
Bradford City		24 November 2003	17 June 2004	28	7	20	1	25.00
West Bromwich Albion		9 November 2004	18 September 2006	81	19	38	24	23.45
Sheffield United		22 May 2007	14 February 2008	38	14	12	12	36.84

[DAN DAN]

Originally Posted by Bigkegman

rightly or wronglt souness changes the face of scottish football. i was at easter road to see him get sent of inhis first player / manager role but dont think he was the worst. he bought the mighty names of colin west, chris wood, ray wilkins etc etc to name a few

But he was also very bad for letting personality clashes interfere with football choices. Graham Roberts and Derek Ferguson being two who fell foul to it.

[Wittmann 44]

Peter Reid wasn't too bad either. Two top 5s at City and two top 7s at Sunderland. His reputation was smashed by the splurge of money at Sunderland that still didn't keep them up.

Bryan Robson first name to spring to my mind as well.

I'd like to put Steve Staunton forward as Ireland's representative in the hall of shame.

[E_S]

Cant understand why Egil Olsen is on that list, maybe it is a Wimbledon fan who put up this list?? I know he didnt do a very good job in Wimbledon, think they got relegated in the end the season he was there.
But he did a great job with our NT. When he was in charge we won 51 of 91 games, wich is very good for a small country that we are, including a WC place in 1998.
Guess it have to be the style of football he liked to play, that put him on this list.

[crowie]

Purely from Celtic days I would nominate both Liam Brady (who only ever seemed to sign players who his company acted as agent for.......mmmmm) and Lou Macari.

In a two horse race both managed to finish about 5th!


Also from the Rangers side, Paul Le Guen, arrived as the best young coach in Europe (TM Daily Ranger) after Rangers had secured his services ahead of Lazio and Real Madrid (copyright Daily Ranger again) and gave so much joy in his 6 months in charge. A truely honking manager who you can only guess had someone else do everything for him at Lyon previously. He is now successfully guiding the fallen giant of PSG to relegation. A truely great manager.

[kompressaur]

The Joy of Six: terrible managerial stints

1) Jim Fallon, Dumbarton 1995-96
Dumbarton started the 1995-96 Scottish First Division season well, winning their first two matches. An hour before their third fixture, against Dunfermline, they appointed Fallon as manager (strangely his assistant, Alastair McLeod, was the brother of his predecessor, Murdo). They lost that game 4-0, and it was downhill from there. In fact, though Fallon was in charge for 34 of the 36 games that season, his team won more points from the other two. They finished with 11, 25 fewer than the next worst team. As any reasonable person would expect, the board acted immediately - offering Fallon a new contract. "I feel that it was an unfair playing field for us as we were up against it financially," he moped of the dismal season. "The aim now will be to stabilise the club and make a determined effort to get back up." Fallon's determined effort the following season amounted to one win from 12 games, eight of which - including his last five - were lost. He left in November. In all, Boghead enjoyed only one home win in Fallon's 14 months in charge and his overall league record reads: Played: 46. Won: 2. Drawn: 5. Lost: 39. Simon Burnton

2) Johnny Cochrane, Reading 1939
A decidedly average player, Cochrane is fondly remembered as a manager at St Mirren, where he spent 12 years and won the Scottish Cup in 1926. He then moved to Sunderland where he spent 11 years, winning the league in 1936 and the FA Cup a year later, and remains perhaps the club's greatest ever tactician. So when he applied for the Reading job in March 1939, the board couldn't believe their luck. He arrived on March 31, signing a three-year-contract on a jaw-dropping £1,000-a-year salary, and the club prepared for certain success. But they reckoned without Cochrane's alarmingly relaxed ways. One player described life under the maverick boss thus: "Just before a game this man wearing a bowler hat, smoking a cigar and drinking a whisky would pop his head round the dressing-room door and ask: 'Who are we playing today?'" He was sacked after just 14 days, having won one and lost one of four games in charge - though he missed one of those, allegedly with a bout of influenza. The same influenza that meant he missed several training sessions and was by all accounts largely restricted, the poor lamb, to the bar at Reading's Great Western Hotel. That September war broke out, and Cochrane never worked in football again. SB

3) Hristo Stoichkov, Bulgaria 2004-07
Representing the managerial sub-genre of great-players-terrible-coaches (see also Bryan Robson, Lothar Matthäus et al) is the former Ballon d'Or winner. "I do not believe in tactics," he says, encouragingly for a coach. Even so, a 1-1 draw against Malta apart, his off-field antics were more calamitous than his team's performances. He got a four-match touchline ban for reacting to defeat against Sweden by screaming abuse at everyone from the referee to the then Uefa president Lennart Johansson. His man management was so bad that he lost two captains to sudden international retirement after arguments. He also fell out with the whole of Romania, accusing them of fixing a game against the Netherlands and calling them a nation of "mamaliga lovers", (mamaliga being a dish made from cornmeal, similar to polenta). A Romanian TV channel promptly dispatched a reporter, carrying a plate of the delicacy, to follow Stoichkov around until he tried some. In April this year he abruptly quit to take over at La Liga side Celta Vigo, prompting outrage among Bulgarian fans who felt he had abused his position to advertise his services to Europe's top clubs. He left the Spanish side in October, by which time they were 11th in the Segunda, claiming that he was struggling to live without his parents. SB

4) David Platt, Sampdoria 1998-99
Azeglio Vicini, president of the Italian Coaches' Association, threatened to resign upon hearing of Platt's appointment on a three-year, £20,000-a-week contract which he described as "an insult to all Italian coaches", adding: "He's not even qualified to coach the reserve side." Indeed, Platt's lack of coaching qualifications and Italy's love of random regulations meant he could never even sit on his team's bench and was forced to work under the title of "supervisor" while Giorgio Veneri, who had no experience above Serie C level, was named manager. "To all intents and purposes, he is our coach," insisted the club president, Enrico Mantovani. Some people welcomed the appointment, Gianluca Vialli hailing "a visionary decision" and calling Platt "the future of football coaching". Perhaps, but it was a very short-term future. Platt resigned after 48 days and six games, having dropped the team's one good player, the Argentinian Ariel Ortega, signed Lee Sharpe on loan, earned three points and taken his team from 13th (mid-table) to 17th (second bottom). By the end of that season Samp were in Serie B for the first time since 1982. SB

5) Franck Sauzée, Hibernian December 2001-February 2002
Alex McLeish's Hibernian had been beginning to splutter, so when he grabbed the Rangers job with both hands, it was clear his successor would be left with a rebuilding job on his hands. Perhaps not the greatest time to ask your best player to hang up his boots and embark on a rookie managerial career, then, and even the man himself - much-loved French defender Franck Sauzée - had doubts: "Sometimes you see players with great experience who aren't good managers. I may be the worst manager you've ever seen in Scotland, you know."
He had that damn straight, though he didn't start too badly; while two losses and two draws weren't great, the second point came after a last-minute equaliser in the Edinburgh derby. But the wheels really came off at the turn of the year: Hibs drew three and lost four in the league, including four-goal shellackings by Aberdeen and Motherwell; needed a replay to get past Second Division Stranraer in the Scottish Cup only to then ship another four in the next round at Ibrox; and lost the semi-final of the League Cup to First Division Ayr. After a tedious 1-1 draw at home to Dunfermline left Hibs second bottom with only a terrible St Johnstone side saving their utter embarrassment, the die was cast: after failing to win any of his 12 league games in charge, Sauzée was replaced by Bobby Williamson, who immediately posted back-to-back 3-0 victories. Hibs eased away from relegation bother, but nobody remembers the workaday Williamson with much affection at Easter Road - unlike Sauzée, who is still a legend at the club despite this utter debacle. Scott Murray

6) Tommy Docherty, Manchester United 1973-77
While Docherty led to relegation a team who six years previously had been champions of Europe - a feat incidentally bettered in spectacular fashion in 1987 by another Scottish managerial disaster zone, Billy McNeill, who took 1982 European champions Aston Villa and Manchester City down in the same season - he did take them immediately back up after a romp of a Second Division campaign. And two seasons later won Manchester United's first FA Cup for 14 years. So why is he on our list? Simply because he sued Willie Morgan for libel after the former United captain claimed on Granada TV that the United boss was the "worst manager there has ever been" - and lost. (Docherty was alleged to have demanded a £1,000 bribe to play George Best in a friendly, had duplicitously placed Denis Law on the transfer list despite promising not to and was eventually sacked for cuckolding the physio.) Anyone who has a problem with this selection can tell it to the judge. SM

Worst Football Managerial Stints