Spacebrokes Hills doors to open by the end of the month.

[AnothrSpacecat]

I paper traded laying every horse selection from the punterslounge last night (not here, too much respect for the stattos). I back dated it over a few week sand found I wouldve made a nice profit For a while I've been laying the Racing Post Naps Comp on the basis that for 40 years they have lost mountains of cash. It's true you WILL make money from it, but you need a huge bank to do it and you could be waiting 40 years to see the benefit, the big downfall to laying them is youll often see 4 selections in one race (50 tipsters), meaning that although the overall table is showing a loss, individual races can really hurt you. I've had a few bad days on there that when looked at simplistically shouldve returned a profit.. not the case.. im sticking to laying punters

The sad truth is that punters generally lose money, the more bets you take the more likely it is youll end up winning, there was one meeting on there that wouldve returned a loss and about 16 that wouldve made me loads.

I've been looking at opening the doors to Spacebroke Hills for a while now, laying horses, football and US sports to anybody whose placing bets on Betfair. Found my horses to lay (PL. plus horses tipped by 4 or more of the RP tipsters), found my football bets (2 tipster competition sites I managed to get through BetHelp, both have alot of members, I'll be laying any bet that more than 3 people go for) and am now giving myself 3 weeks to find a US site that can turn me into a 24 hour operation.

The laying of the RP naps saw me double my initial £150 stake to over £300 in 2 weeks with £1 a tip lays, its stagnated now in what appears to be a good spell for layers. I'm taking steps forward of about £20 a week (after the losing days). I'll be starting with £400 when I go global.

The RP naps table is down about 600 points overall on the year, even taking away 5% commission and 40% (average) for the betfair sp's, its a layers dream. As I said before you will find races everyday that throw up multiple runners in them, if you dont lay every selection then you dont get the overall value but if you do do it then you lose alot of money per race. I wont be laying journalists who are actually trying to nap things their readers want in order to sell papers, I'll be laying the mugs

If the BF forum was structured better it would be an ideal place to find my punters, everyones a loser on there, the layers more than anyone, the mere mention of 'staking plan' gets you shunned out of the forums. Horrible place.

So I've got my Horses showing excellent laying figures, footy tipster comps where most have 30% or lower strike rates on Even money shots and need your help in finding the US punters. IF theres any decent tennis, cricket or greyhound tipster comps out there then give them a flagging here and ill get wired into them too. I'm not one to turn away a regular customer!

The US and football bets appeal to me as the prices are relatively low, even though the markets only have 2 or 3 runners..? Tennis will fall under that too as I'd imagine any tipster comp being full of folk punting on short priced shots.

As posted elsewhere, I now work in a bookamkers for real, which was largely brought about by me finding myself sitting in one for hours as a punter, watching my lays go down I'm now being paid to do it..

If anybodies interested in going along for the ride or has any suggestions then sign up here, should I post a profit over the course of a month or two then there will be scope to increase liabilities all over the place.



Ps And please nobody ask why Boylescat's only want to lay the tips multiple folk go for on comps, the truth is I've seen it online and in person hundreds of times, 'good things' dont shut down bookies

[AnothrSpacecat]

Right, well lets see how I wouldve done today. Think I'll keep it simple and go for 'todays best bets' on the horses.

Football from weekend footy bets on PL Singles, doubles and trebles only as I cant be bothered laying the perm bets and anyone can get a winner in a 7 fold.

Singles
Blackburn
Liverpool
Crewe v Forest under 2.5 goals
Sheff Wed v QPR under 2.5 goals
Coventry v Norwich under 2.5 goals
Walsall v Northampton under 2.5 goals
Wycombe v Darlington under 2.5 goals
Arsenal @ 4/7
Bore to score first (Grimsby v MK)
Till to score first (Grimsby v MK)
till to score at any time (Grimsby v MK)
Blackpool - win or draw
Bristol - win or draw
Walsaw - win or draw
Notts County - win or draw
Carlisle
Hull
Grasshoppers
VPS/FC Lahti - total Over 2½
Woking/Stafford Rangers - total Over 2½
Ross County/Brechin - total Over 3
Carlisle
Scholes to score anytime
Reading v Mancheser City - Under 2.5 goals


Doubles
Hull to beat Scunny
Doncaster to beat Port Vale.

Blackburn 1.53
Liverpool 1.36

portsmouth
espanyol

Sheff Wed v QPR - Under 2.5
Peteborough

Treble
Doncaster
WBA
Middlesboro

Bastia
Le Harve
Borussia M

MK Dons
Rochdale
Bristol City

celtic
carlisle
plymouth

Liverpool
Man Utd
Carlisle

Chelsea
Hereford
East Fife

Blackpool
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Carlisle

Blackburn
Liverpool
Carlisle


Jesus.. loads of bets there, lets say 1point a bet.



Horses

340 Chepstow : Mister Potter
San 3.15 Ashkazar
LOVELACE 2.25 WOLVERHAMPTON ( 1.0 WIN )
Sandown 3.15 Halla San EW (lay place)
TOP TWIG 4.30 Gowran Park
Wind Instrument 2.05 Sandown EW
3.15 Sandown - DOUBLE VODKA EW (1/2 stake)
2.50 Ayr corlande 1pt Win
CORNAK 1.55 CHEPSTOW
CORNAK 1.55 CHEPSTOW Lay (so I back)
Sandown 2.05 - Forest Pennant
A3.25 Sinatas
Ayr 2:15 Carrick Dhu
4.10 Wolverhampton. Ten Down
7.20 wolverhampton Emine Gray


Hardly any there, maybe 2p a lay

time to see what happened.. i can see one footy double that was superb for me

[AnothrSpacecat]

I started tryign to work that out, absolute nightmare. Also managed to miss the lay of the day in somebodies Chelsea - ManU double in the above post.

[AnothrSpacecat]

Horses, should be easier!

340 Chepstow : Mister Potter + 1
San 3.15 Ashkazar -4
LOVELACE 2.25 WOLVERHAMPTON ( 1.0 WIN ) + 1
Sandown 3.15 Halla San EW (lay place) + 1
TOP TWIG 4.30 Gowran Park + 1
Wind Instrument 2.05 Sandown EW NR
3.15 Sandown - DOUBLE VODKA EW (1/2 stake) + 0.5
2.50 Ayr corlande 1pt Win + 1
CORNAK 1.55 CHEPSTOW -2.1
CORNAK 1.55 CHEPSTOW Lay (so I back) + 2.1
Sandown 2.05 - Forest Pennant + 1
A3.25 Sinatas + 1
Ayr 2:15 Carrick Dhu + 1
4.10 Wolverhampton. Ten Down -0.68
7.20 wolverhampton Emine Gray + 1

The trebls in the football wouldve returned a clean sweep of losses, so maybe avoid them in future, though when one bet does come in the prices should be fairly high.

The Man U+ Chelsea lay wouldve returned about 13 points profit on its own for the doubles, not bothered going through the Singles but I can see them being a bit of a mixed bag, tried the first 10 selections with betdevil past odds and it wasnt easy..!

[ONEDUNME]

Interesting stuff mate

I've often thought a lay of the two main national rags in England (The Sun and The Mirror) would be a good idea because no matter how good or bad the horses are, the fact that your "working class" punter is going to be skewed towards backing them is bound to drive the price lower than it should be and therefore present value.

I've never tried it though.

I might give it a go Cheltenham week but the downside is that two decen priced winners could wipe out the entire week's profit at festival prices.

[AnothrSpacecat]

I've experimented with it before ODM, laying the mug papers and the RP Naps which often have odds below the bookies board price on Betfair, the problem with that method is there isnt enough selections to make it turn it into a 'system' for me. The RP naps table is a goodun for a decent easy number of selections but as I've said theres too many races daily that youre almost certain to lose money on, bringing about the situation I mean when I say 'system'. The bad races basically reduce your number of selections, if 10 tipsters go in the same race then basically youre writing it off unless you get luck with a short priced winner, leaving you 10 bets down over all, it just happens to be the case that they keep bloody taking each other on every day!

By 'system' I mean a method of picking horses that wont eventually start to rely on the bigger priced winners or losers coming in to pay off, once you start looking for individual runners to show an overall profit youre on your way to the poorhouse.

I like laying the picks from the PL as they are fairly well laid out and easy to pick up, plus its populated by the dregs of the gambling world, I want to add a couple more websites selections to my horses portfolio to get the number up. As I said before I'm now laying all of their 'best bets' and horses that 3 or more RP napsters have flagged up.

This is the point of waiting a few weeks to get myself sorted out, if it takes me 3 hours a day to get all my bets together I cant do it, also the more easily available tips I can find the more I can put down on betfair daily.

I think I'll use here for football bets too and bugger the PL footy section, looking at another couple of sites that offer previews on bethelp to add to them. Obviously the weekend is the time for football but I want to have varied markets on daily.

The theory behind all of this is sound IMO, I'm not looking at this as me laying horses but rather accepting their bets, as for the most part I'll know exactly who I'm going up against and theres zero of my own analysis involved! The more bets I take the more chance I'll see an overall profit long term.

Heres todays horses...

PL
Naas 5.40 Bantry Commons NR
315 MRasen : Souriceau +1
FLUTTER BYE 5.35 WARWICK EW (half stake) -0.32
3.45 market rasen HOLD THE BID LAY (so I back) +1.96
Hold The Bid 3.45 M Rasen WIN -1.96
2:15 Market Rasen - BROOK NO ARGUMENT NR
warwick 4.35 boing boing +1
4:05 WARWICK - KILLARD POINT +1
QUILLAN HILL 2.45 Market Rasen -0.77
Market rasen 5.15 Loch Oscaig +1
4.40 Naas Freds Benefit +1
Warwick 3:35 Go Amwell -1.28
RISK ACCESSOR 5.05 Warwick.NR
Market Rasen 16:45 Cebonne E/W +1


RP
Eila 2:35 Warwick +1
Boing Boing 4:35 Warwick +1
Otage De Brion 2:25 Hereford -1.82
Gods Token 3:25 Hereford -0.25
Hold The Bid 3:45 Market rasen -1.96
Cleymor House 4:25 Hereford -1.66
Loch Oscaig 5:15 Market rasen +1


I make that a small profit of 1.94 on what must be a considered a great day for the backers.


Bookies drive mercs and punters drive bikes, bookies dont live in council houses but want to get as close to them as possible......................... etc

Aye I'll be getting myself a jag and a camel coat soon if I can sort this mess out. Need a couple of footy sites and a US sports one.

[ONEDUNME]

Well good luck mate.


I wonder if the Sun and Mirror tips are available on line the night before racing.

I'm seriously thinking of giving it a go.

[AnothrSpacecat]

Active betting picks at FreeBetting.net .. for now I'll just do a Win Loss thingy and work it out later, would love for this to go in my favor as the site looks good. Will have to use their odds and not BF's, so any losses or profits will have to have some % added to them.

FA Cup
15:00 M brough vs Cardiff Under 2.5 goals 1.65 -0.65

Italian Serie A
15:00 Empoli vs AC Milan Milan to win 1.8 -0.80
15:00 Napoli vs Roma Over 2.5 goals 2 +0.93
15:00 Torino vs Atalanta Under 2.5 goals 1.75 -0.75
15:00 Parma vs Sampdoria Under 2.5 goals 1.7 +1.6
15:00 Catania vs Cagliari Home win 1.91 -0.91
15:00 Lazio vs Livorno Under 2.5 goals 1.75 -0.75
15:00 Siena vs Fiorentina under 2.5 goals 1.7 -0.70

English Premiership
16:00 Sunderland vs Everton Away win 2.2 -1.2
16:00 Tottenham vs West Ham Home win 1.8 -0.80
17:00 Wigan vs Arsenal Away win 1.65 +1

German Bundesliga 1
17:00 Leverkusen vs Hannover Hannover not to lose 2 +1
17:00 Nurnberg vs Hamburger Nurnberg not to lose 1.61 -0.61

Spanish Primera Division
17:00 Santander vs Betis Home win 2 +1
17:00 Ath. Bilbao vs Valladolid Over 2.5 goals 2.15 +0.68
17:00 Mallorca vs Huelva Under 2.5 goals 1.66 +1.5 (7-1 )
17:00 Sevilla vs Levante Home win 1.22 -0.22
17:00 Murcia vs Getafe Home win 2.75 +1
17:00 Osasuna vs Almeria Under 2.5 goals 1.6 +1.2

French Ligue 1
18:00 Marseille vs St.Etienne Over 2.5 goals 2.25 +1.69

Spanish Primera Division
19:00 Valencia vs Deportivo Home win 1.8

Italian Serie A
20:30 Genoa vs Juventus Over 2.5 goals 2.15

French Ligue 1
20:55 Lyon vs Bordeaux Over 2.5 goals 2.15

Spanish Primera Division
21:00 Barcelona vs Villarreal Home win


We're plus 4.21 (minus 5% = 3.99) despite a shitty day in Italy, so I think I'll stick with this lot for future reference, we'll need to see how they do in midweek to get any conclusive results.


I quite like this site as it doesnt have loads of bets that BF dont cover, all simple handicap, 1X2 and O/U bets. The overs bets are my favorite as its a 2 runner market, instead of laying we can back the other side for a better return.

[AnothrSpacecat]

ODM I'm sure they will have predictions the day before racing. I'll look into just now and add them to my Horsey bets

[AnothrSpacecat]

Nice one, just went clicking around and found their Tennis, Basketball and Ice Hockey picks. Plus a bunch of Extra footy ones. I'll put it on hold for now until I see if theyre any good !

[AnothrSpacecat]

A little searching more and Ive ust found my goldmine

Take care folks and have a good life!

[AnothrSpacecat]

Just to round up the last of tonights football lays..



Spanish Primera Division
19:00 Valencia vs Deportivo Home win 1.8 +1

Italian Serie A
20:30 Genoa vs Juventus Over 2.5 goals 2.15 +1

French Ligue 1
20:55 Lyon vs Bordeaux Over 2.5 goals 2.15 -1.15

Spanish Primera Division
21:00 Barcelona vs Villarreal Home win +1

it is a mugs game.



Heres my non-horse racing bets for tomorrow/tonight. The last number on each line is how much I lose if it comes in from current BF prices, theres scope to get better odds but if this is something I'm to (realistically) do daily then I'll be taking whats available about this time of night.


Kevin Anderson vs Sam Querrey(Set Betting) Sam Querrey to win 2 - 0 3.7
Kevin Anderson vs Sam Querrey Sam Querrey 0.69
CHI Bulls @ DET Pistons(Game Totals) Under 195.0 0.83
CHI Bulls @ DET Pistons DET Pistons 0.24
CHI Bulls @ DET Pistons(Point Spread) DET Pistons -8.5 0.95
COL Avalanche @ DAL Stars DAL Stars 0.79
COL Avalanche @ DAL Stars(Puck Line) DAL Stars -1.5 2.4
MON Canadiens @ ANA M Ducks(Game Totals) Under 5.5 0.85
MON Canadiens @ ANA M Ducks MON Canadiens 1.7
SAC Kings @ LA Lakers(Game Totals) Under 222.0 0.82
SAC Kings @ LA Lakers LA Lakers 0.08
SAC Kings @ LA Lakers(Point Spread) LA Lakers -13.5 1.24


Dominic Dale vs Liu Chuang Dominic Dale 0.66
Jamie Cope vs Fergal OBrien Jamie Cope 0.64
Joe Perry vs John Parrott Joe Perry 0.29
Mark King vs Jimmy White Jimmy White 1.7
Mark Selby vs Stuart Bingham(Match Result) Mark Selby 2.2
Sparta Prague v FK Teplice Sparta Prague 0.53
Mark Selby vs Joe Swail(Match Result) Mark Selby 2.1
Nantes v Grenoble(Asian Handicap) Nantes -0.5 0.91
Nantes v Grenoble Nantes 0.88
Nantes v Grenoble(Half Time/Full Time) Nantes - Nantes 2.3
Belenenses v Boavista Belenenses 1.81
Belenenses v Boavista(Total Goals) Under 2.5 0.57
Chesterfield v Milton Keynes Dons Milton Keynes Dons 1.48
York v Exeter Exeter 1.98


Just noticed the first tennis game is already underway and one of the bets is a winner for me. I actually compiled this list before kick off (first serve?) and wouldnt of had the bet available after it started, as proof im not a cheat.

[Winrew]

A little searching more and Ive ust found my goldmine

Take care folks and have a good life!

You to SC.

[AnothrSpacecat]

its a start Winew. its a lifetime ambition of mine to be hated by punters 24 hours a day.

[AnothrSpacecat]

And if it isnt obvious, then its the OBLG forums I'll be laying for my non horse bets over the next few weeks, bloody loads of people on there gambling on crap sports nobody cares about, like Champions League Snooker, Womens tennis and the FA Cup.