A slowplaying question...with a little bit of pot odds.

[Beanie]

Lets say you flop a full house or something, and decide to slow play it...what happens if you get no takers?

If you check, and everyone else follows suit...what then do you do after the turn?

Of course it will probably depend on what comes out on the turn...if its an ace(or King or Queen) and there's quite a few still in the hand it might be worth checking again for the chance that someone is holding an ace.

But if you check again, you're running the risk of it being checked out again, and you're staring at a monster hand but an empty pot.

Of course if nobody makes a hand or bluffs, then it can't be helped, but if everyone checks after the flop, is it better (in general)to persevere with your slowplaying, or perhaps introduce a small raise on the turn and look to slowly crank up the pressure?

[mrmuzeman]

Dont get too induced into slowplaying would be my advice. With a house you could check on the flop but if everyone checks behind you id bet on the turn.

Depends what the flop is too if youre holding 55 and the flop comes KK5 dont slowplay it imo

If in doubt bet would be my advice and bet proper too not a pussy bet!

Bare in mind if there are straight and/or flush draws on the flop you should do a small bet to intice these in. If they hit their straight or flush on the turn you can get a big payoff with your full there. Price them in for their draw with a small bet and give them nice odds for it

[Burt Saddo]

You've flopped a full house. There is no need to scare people out of the pot because there is little chance of someone drawing out on you. Thus, you should wait to the turn or maybe even river to jam the pot with bets and raises. You should slowplay if two conditions are met:

1. You hold a whopper and there is almost no chance of someone drawing on you

2. You will only get action if some other cards come out that will improve your opponents' hands. Nonetheless, these cards are not good enough to make their hands beat your hand.

[Beanie]

Cheers both

[mrmuzeman]

Burts point are valid. Basically if theres a draw out there, price it in with your bet.

If theres a fair chance you could be outdrawn bet the pot size. Bet the pot size all the time I would emphasise as a general rule. Youre always giving bad odds to your opponents this way.

You need a bloody good hand to slowplay. But slowplaying is a must if you flop 4 of a kind or something like that, youve got the deck crippled but that wont happen often unfortunately

[mrmuzeman]

A couple of other points I forgot to mention.

If the pot is already a good size dont bother with slowplaying, youre happy to win it right there. Also people will be more inclined to call when you bet when the pot is decent as they try to chase the money thats already in there.

Another time not to slowplay is if you flop a flush thats not the nuts. You want people with the random ace (that will make them the nut flush) to pay to hit their 4 flush on the board.

[Burt Saddo]

Another time not to slowplay is if you flop a flush thats not the nuts. You want people with the random ace (that will make them the nut flush) to pay to hit their 4 flush on the board.[/QUOTE]


This an important one Beanie to take note of, the times you see people shafted because they do not have the nut flush.

[Beanie]

Cheers - That would be time for a pot bet then?

[mrmuzeman]

Basically what you are doing when you bet the pot is giving your opponent 2/1 odds on him calling.

Say the pot is 100, he checks to you. Theres could be draws out there (lets say a J 10 2 flop with 2 diamonds). You bet that 100, giving him a 100 to call to win a 200 pot.

If he has a flush/straight draw hes not even a 4/1 shot to make his hand on the next card. It can be seen how a pot bet is a good bet here against a drawing hand. At low limits player WILL call all the time here and theyre making a mistake.

If they call you earn, you actually want them to call. If they hit they hit but you earned regardless of whether you won the hand or not.

So back to the question of that flush, yeah a pot bet would be correct there generally

[Beanie]

Cheers muze...

I've got a decent hold on pot odds at the mo, but really need to nail it.

[moDtheGod]

Burt is talking in Fixed Limit terms ("jam the pot") and Beanie seems to be talking big bet poker ("time for pot bet...?") - what are we talking about? No Limit Hold'em?

[mrmuzeman]

Yeah no limit hold em. Just cos were talking about pot size bets doesnt mean were talking about pot limit

[christianu]

There are far too many variables to have a matter of fact answer to the question of slowplaying. If you flop 4 of a kind it isnt a must you have to check.. I for one with the flop 77J dont expect someone with the 7 to lead out betting, and other people might not expect it. You have to mix your play up.

Why not bet on the flop with your full house, and then check on the turn to leave the opponent not having much idea where he is and if he has nothing he might try and bet you out or might think his 2 pair is in good shape.

What about position? Thats vital too,

[moDtheGod]

Originally Posted by mrmuzeman

Yeah no limit hold em. Just cos were talking about pot size bets doesnt mean were talking about pot limit

No shit. However one of our number used the term "jam the pot" which is used in Fixed Limit Hold'em. And you can't bet the pot in FLH...

[christianu]

Another thing id like to bring up in regards to pot odds.

As an example (real life) im holding 8c 9c on the button in a 6 seater table 0.25/0.50c cash game. So Player A is first to act pre flop then and ill try and remember this to the best of my ability. Player E has around $80 and I have $85.

Player A folds
Player B calls 0.50c
Player C calls 0.50c
I call 0.50c
Player E raises to $2.50
Player F folds
Player B calls $2
Player C calls $2
I call $2

Pot: $10.50

Flop comes: 6c 7h Qc

Player E bets $4
Player B folds
Player C folds
I call $4

Pot: $18.50

Turn comes: 3h

Player E bets $12


Right now I remember getting slightly under what the pot odds are. Im 36% to hit my straight or flush... where as id need a 39% chance to make the correct pot odds call. I think thats right?

But I dont see it like that.. say I hit my straight or flush I know for a fact that I will get more money out of this guy so the pot will be at least another $10 and thats at least where as I was confident this guy had KK or AA so I knew I would be able to. I called and hit my straight and took his entire stack with him having AA.

Im just making an example of how I dont see the problem of making a call into a pot where you know theres "potential" so to say or is this common knowledge anyway