Correct play? (No, awful play) - Betting Forum - Betting Tips

christianu · Tweet this Post! #1 (**permalink**) 22-07-2005, 04:53

Im still playing 0.05/0.10 blinds on 365 even though i have a $300 bankroll as its proving to be so profitable.

So maximum buy in is $10 and i stand with $11, six players at the table, ill name them A-F.

I get dealt 5d 7d on small blind. Its called all the way round so i put an extra 5c to see the flop with a six way pot.

Flop comes: 2d 2c 4d

Player A checks, Player B bets $0.40, Player C calls $0.40, Player D raises to $0.80c, I call 0.80c, Player F folds, Player A folds, Player B then raises all in to $12, Player C folds, Player D raises all in to $14.

I think for a second.

Pot stands at $23.50 for me and it will cost me another $10.20 to call. I put one of these on the 2 so i gotta be wary of the full house, other prolly has AK and couldnt fold or something similar i reckon.

Im getting more than 2/1 for my money here and i reckon im in a good position to call, better than a 2/1 shot i think. I call!

Player B turns over 29o
Player D turns over 88

Turn beautifally comes 10d and river i cant remember.

I take a $33.70 pot after my $10.20 call.

I reckon i played this right, one all in and im folding, two all ins and i reckon theres a bit of value in looking for the diamond here, like i said more than 2/1 on my money and i reckon i made the correct play.

What do you think?

aliensyndm · Tweet this Post! #2 (**permalink**) 22-07-2005, 12:24

C'mon christian you should know better than that.
You've got a drawing hand, if you hit your draw are you definitely going to win the pot ? No ! Someone else could be drawing diamonds to a bigger flush in which case you are in all sorts of trouble. Or as you correctly deduced, someone could have a 2. You could hit your draw and the board pairs and you still lose. Let's say the card values were as favourable suit wise as possible ie 2 Spades 9 Clubs 8 hearts 8 clubs.
This way there's 9 diamonds left to draw to and no chance of runner runner diamonds losing you the pot.....had the 88 included an 8 diamonds this was another way you could lose it.

Sticking those probabilities in a calculator -

57- 23.7%
29- 67.1%
88- 9.2%

Only around a 1 in 4 chance of winning that hand, yet you only got odds of 1 in 3. As you suspected someone had a 2 !!! You should know that even if you hit your hand there's too many hands that could beat you anyway ! Higher flush draw, full house ! Interesting to note that say the 92 off suit was just 94 off suit, ie 4s and 2s. You are still only 31.3% to win the hand.

The key thing is if you are drawing you have to be pretty certain if you hit your draw that you win. With people going all in there it had to suggest they had something decent, the exact hands which would negate your draw.

Markpl · Tweet this Post! #3 (**permalink**) 22-07-2005, 16:00

Yep i have to agree with alien here the call of the all in is pretty ropey here. You have the odds if you have the nut flush draw on an unpaired board. You have to give one of the players credit for a 2 here therefore they are drawing to a number of cards to leave you drawing dead.

Even your call of the min raise is poor when you call 80c which make the pot $3 so you are getting less than 3 to 1 there when the chances of hitting the flush on the turn are more like 4 to 1. These are things that you have to consider esp in bigger cash games.

christianu · Tweet this Post! #4 (**permalink**) 22-07-2005, 18:57

Cheers Alien for clearing that up as i dint know the odds i was getting for my money, i calculated about 1 in 3 but clearly thats not the case.

I realised as said in my post i have to consider the full house as 9d isnt a card i can rely on as it hits a full house for the other guy. I wont make this play in a similar situation in future.

Seems i played this completely wrong though but i wasnt expecting someone to oull out 88, more like AK or similar.

Aye Mark that original call was pretty poor, seems i got lucky