Playing 1010

[kompressaur]

I dont know where my confusion is setting in about playing 10's and 9's and even worse 8's late-ish in tournaments. anyhow this hand will show you my confusion



michi71 seems a tight aggressive player. 52 hands, saw the flop 7.7% and pf raised 6%. gonigle seen flop 22% and pf raise 6.8%

avg stack was about 4300 and i had just doubled up after only playing about 3 hands the full tournie. 275 entrants with 80 left pays 30 places.

I was scared of michi's call incase he was slow playing a big pair. My call was probably weak. I was calling just about any raise i think but if michi had reraised a raiser i was done with my hand. gonigles bet on the flop could have been anything. JJ, AK, you name it. michi's call didnt really scare me as i think if he had a bigger pair he would have reraised gonigle. anyhow it's just pure confusion for me and i have to admit i was wandering about in the dark a bit. If they had turned over KK or QQ then that wouldsnt have suprised me and i would have been on the rail. Im finding it hard to get away from hands to an over pair. How would you have played it?

A raise by me pf would have been a better course of action 'to see where i was at' i think. I dont think i could have got away from the hand on the flop. Bah poker can be so hard sometimes.

[kompressaur]

may i add i did want to see a flop and see how many overcards came out. I didnt want to play for all my stack just yet. I suppose i still should have taken the lead in the hand and be prepared to bet the flop whatever came out.

[deeloughran]

I couldn't get away from over cards tbh Komp as you just think your ahead.
Example was playing last week in the club, raised pre-flop 4x big blind with pocket kings, one call - big blind.
Flop comes up 3 6 9 all of different suit.
I raise, he re-raises, i push all in, calls.
He'd pocket 6s and hit trips...

After my buy-in i have pocket jacks, raise pre flop get one caller.
Flop comes up 10 9 6
I raise and he looks at me says 'i think you've two high cards' and pushes all in, i call he has K J.
Next card...Queen!

Most times your well ahead with over cards think i'd just really bad luck last week including my final push of all in on the button with pocket jacks only to run into pocket aces in the big blind....

[kompressaur]

the fellas call with a gutshot KJ was just awfull Hastgill and i hope you let him know it. If someone done that to me when i played in the nuts League i would be in a sulk all night with them. Did he/you have a big stack? If so and he called then.....

worst for me live was when i was getting creative with a raise with 75s. I got a caller. Flop comes 754. I bet, he pushes all in and i call. He turns over AJ. Next card is a 4 then a jack on the river to give him a better 2 pair. No flush draws on the flop etc. I was bloody livid. Im getting to the stage now similar to what Pete said. I fcuking hate playing with bad players. aye we should win in the end up but its all the shit they give us on the way.

[deeloughran]

Think he'd about 1/3 his stalk in with the call pre-flop so didn't have much and if he was to call me he post-flop he didn't even have enough for another bet so was even more stupid as i just had to call his all in as it wasn't even much more to me...if he though i'd a high card (A?) then i was ahead?
He's a wreckless player play with him each week and will bluff at everything.

Aye we've had two people up in recent weeks just don't know how to play, massively over-bet pots as soon as they have an ace no matter what kicker and just won't let it go. Jesus he called an all-in which put himself all in with ace high (two pair on board) ....just lucky the other guy was bluffing! He'll win a good bit at the start with his 3,000 raises into a pot of 500 but in the long run especially with our tournament normally having 35-40 players just won't last anywhere near the 8hrs.

Jesus have to tell you about me putting him out. Pocket kings, raise 4x big blind, he calls in big blind. Flop comes up A Q 10 and i push all in on him (pot was same size as my stack) and he instant calls so i think fuck he's an ace...he turns over K 6 and says 'i thought you were bluffing' ....fuck! Some people have too much money to throw about...

[kompressaur]

aye local games can be frustrating dee. I remember i was in my first live tournie. A totally illegal 100 man event £20 buy in. I raise pf with AA and get one caller. Flop comes K62 rainbow. I bet he goes all in, i call, he turns over K6. Im out about 4th hand vowing never to go back.

suppose we cant complain really as in the long run these cnuts will give us money. Suppose we just remember the times they bad beat us

[Colbro]

I don't know if this will help or not Komp but personally I have reclassified how I think of Pocket Pairs and I now only think of AA or KK as a big Pair. QQ and JJ are now middle pairs to me and everything from 1010 downwards is a low pair.

If you think of your 1010 here as say a 6,6 then the way the hand was played pre flop was the way most of us would have play it. (i.e no thought of reraising to see where we were)

The question is would you have played the hand the same way or differently after the flop with 6,6. I think I would have folded here but had I played the hand the same way as you played the 1010 I would have won the pot.

And when you look at it the flop is actually pretty good for a 6,6 really. No picture cards and the only over card is a 9 - something neither player is "likely" to have.

1010 is a nice hand to see a flop with but not a hand to fall in love with.

[kompressaur]

Aye your right Colbro i think and im just playing 1010 more for set value pf unless of course i was restealing (with a hand). See a flop and take it from there. I still dont understand me and others reraising big with these hands pf from the sb. i put in a big reraise, get 3 callers still and im suddenly playing a big pot, out of position and 2 overcards. Maybe i need to make a bigger raise. Nah set value only and if i get overcards to the flop (scary though avoiding bigger pairs. am i good enough to lay down to 10' to jacks on a low flop?

[kompressaur]

Still having problems with this boy



30 man tournie final table. Paid 5 places. stack size dictated my fold. You think that was a bit weak? Villan had seen the flop 16% of 30 hands. his pf raise was 22.5% mind. Maybe i should have tested him out. I suppose the situation is all down to my read on the player. that said i think stack sizes dictate that i fold. Suppose it depends on how aggressive you like to be. Ill see sngwiz after wards.