Playing 18 tables at once? Yes, why not

[christianu]

Its my new fashion, the other day Betfred allowed you to play more than 8 tables, it became an infinite amount and I was over the moon. Thats it for me, gone are the boring days of 8 tableing, 16-20 tableing is what its all about now.

The thing is, my results have actually imrpoved for now anyway, Instead of watching an episode of south park whilst playing, im fully concentrated on the poker, I think my decisions are staying the same for 20 tables as they would be for 8. Im only slightly lacking in player info, but I get that from playing pots with oppenents, and I have a good memory with names.

Anyway basically im trying to talk this up to people because I have worked out:

Given a basic rakeback deal of 33% which I have and anyone can get
And given betfred use a pts system where every 1000 pts earned= $10 in bonus.

Then, judging by how long it takes to earn x points and playing 18 tables at once:

ALL $0.5/1 8 seater cash games

100hrs playing= $5 200 rakeback for the month
150hrs playing= $7 800 rakeback for the month
200hrs playing= $10 400 rakeback per month

That is 100% guaranteed money I have now, anything I make on the tables is just a bonus.

Once you master the art of multi tableing, I mean look at that, massive amounts of money for 0.5/1 cash games.

I suppose its about mastering the art of multi tableing and you have to have certain qualities, I think your bb/100 would go down individually for each table but collectively + rakeback then it is massive.

Ive been earning thousands per month on rakeback already but now its set to go through the roof.

I can lose $3000 (30 buy ins) and you would still make £1 000 playing 100hrs

I can lose $5000 (50 buy ins) and you would still make £1 400 playing 150hrs.

I hope online poker never ever goes away

Anyone else see themselves as a good multi tabler?

[Grga]

Mate did you watch South Park episode Make Love,Not Warcraft?
You will look like Cartman...

[mrmuzeman]

Heres the tillerman 24 tabling

http://www.tillerman.net/images/24tabling.jpg

[christianu]

What a bastard, Ill reach that level one day. Lol @ the heads up so I dont get bored.

Ill get a picture of my setup tommorrow, its nowhere near as good as that, need a bigger monitor, tables are all over the place overlapping like it's going out of fashion (which its not btw)

Yeah great episode that Grga, but common misunderstanding.

I play 100-150hrs per month which is less than what people work so I actually work less than your average person, plus I can do it when I want which means I go out when anyones going out, never miss out on anything, cos of no work and no early mornings.

Although I played some 5 a side football yesterday and I was absolutely fucked, my muscles are killing today! Exercise is hard.

[mrmuzeman]

If youre proper serious about doing some megatabling (double figures) you should get 2 monitors Chris and hook em up sweetly. I literally cant see how you can play on a normal monitor with that many tables. Surely you have a massive potential for misclicks and you just must time out loads? I dont even know how you could think about what other people might have cos itd be time to act on another 2 tables that were hidden behind others etc already lol

[Grga]

Sorry mate.Didn't ment to offend you.
Just needed the reason to post that pic.

[mrmuzeman]

Hehe he wont take offence Grga.

Imagine if you keep this up Chris....then you play live. Youll be twitching like roadkill and playing 23o from utg etc

[Doc]

hmmmm

I wish you all the best in doing this Chris, but I have my doubts as to whether you'll be able for it (no reflection on you - I think it is a mega-challenge for anyone to do it).

The (potential) problem with your analysis is as follows:

An average (relative to the standard of other players at that buy-in level), loses an amount equal to the rake taken. The more tables you play, the more your level drops, so you'd want to be A LOT better than the average for a single table, to still be better than average on that many tables.

Even if you are, you're still losing money. Rakeback is simply a percentage of the rake you pay (i.e. the amount you lose for being average).
IF you can be sufficiently better than average to break even accross that many tables, then you're on to a good thing - but hardly amazing. $10K per month is ok, but it ain't a kings ransom. Plenty of people out there earn that from their day jobs, and they get holidays, pensions etc. Plus the security of regular income.

Good luck with it anyhow - hope you succeed.

PS. I'd agree with muse re the monitor. A really good monitor that'll do 1900 x1200 can be bought for £300 or so. No problem to hook up 2 or more of those babies to your PC, and you'll cut down your losses from misclicks etc.

[christianu]

Grga mate im easily offended but I really didnt take offence there, I could see your enthusiasm for the epiosde! South parks awesome, that was voted the best episode ever by viewers but I dont think it is, so many good ones..and I just wanted to get in that at first people think you just never go out, but it can be the opposite!

And yeah weird thing is muse when I play at the casino Im so patient and you know play my same old tight game, I dont know how I do it.

I got a system for it to work on my computer muse, its not a complicated one, when its my turn on a table it comes to the front of the screen so I make my move, then next table comes up where its my turn etc.. so I rarely time out unless I take a long time with a decision or I miss a table. Otherwise im pretty snappy with it. And I do always think about what people have, i've got so used to it, it takes a split second for me to take in whats happened before its my turn, who raised, what position, called etc..and then when you overlapping decisions you just gotta remember whats going on correctley.

There was an insane time before where I had 4 sets on 4 different tables all in big pots at the same time.

One was an under set to an over set of course, I limped in with 77 and the bb checks with AA and the flop comes A 7 3 two clubs!

That kinda shiz evens itself out though and even more insane stuff happens, 2days ago I had 55 vs QQ on a QX5 board, money goes in and made quads on the river.

10 minutes later I have QQ vs AA on a QAX board and a Q comes on the turn!

The money went in on the turn that time but it will be forever known as quad day.

[christianu]

Originally Posted by DoctorOfDanger

hmmmm

I wish you all the best in doing this Chris, but I have my doubts as to whether you'll be able for it (no reflection on you - I think it is a mega-challenge for anyone to do it).

The (potential) problem with your analysis is as follows:

An average (relative to the standard of other players at that buy-in level), loses an amount equal to the rake taken. The more tables you play, the more your level drops, so you'd want to be A LOT better than the average for a single table, to still be better than average on that many tables.

Even if you are, you're still losing money. Rakeback is simply a percentage of the rake you pay (i.e. the amount you lose for being average).
IF you can be sufficiently better than average to break even accross that many tables, then you're on to a good thing - but hardly amazing. $10K per month is ok, but it ain't a kings ransom. Plenty of people out there earn that from their day jobs, and they get holidays, pensions etc. Plus the security of regular income.

Good luck with it anyhow - hope you succeed.

PS. I'd agree with muse re the monitor. A really good monitor that'll do 1900 x1200 can be bought for £300 or so. No problem to hook up 2 or more of those babies to your PC, and you'll cut down your losses from misclicks etc.

I do it already mate at an 8 table rate, and have done for the last 4 months, im just doubleing it now, so instead of the figures I quoted before half them and a tiny bit less and there you have what I get in rake thus far.

I make a good profit on the tables as well, although obv not as much bb/100, maybe even half what I could doing just the 1 or 2.

The thing with the rake is its also dealt rake, where as every hand im dealt i get a share of.

There is a guy called IPUSHUFOLD on my network who sits in with the minimum buy in accross a number of tables now just to clear rake and bonuses.

$10K per month is ok, but it ain't a kings ransom

Do you not remember being 20?? That is a Kings ransom and then some mate!

Over a 12 month period $120k (£60 000) also tax free so lets compare that to a £80-90k a year job, surely im not wrong in thinking thats one hell of a well paid job! Especially at my age, id need a whole load more qualifications etc.. then working my way up to get to that level.

Plus this isnt long term, its just building money up so I can play higher stakes in a few years.

I wont be making that 10k per month anyhow as Ill be more in the 100-150hrs bracket. Thanks for the good luck!

Thanks for the monitor tips as well.. do need to get that sorted.

[christianu]

Also this 18 tableing im still testing really, my weekly rate for 8 tableing on average im testing this for 2 weeks to see how it compares and then if its worth it, it has just started so well though so im already exicted and optimistic.

This could all fall on its arse sure, ive got this overwhelming feeling its too good to be true tbh.

[Doc]

Do you not remember being 20??

only vaguely I'm afraid LOL

I know personally that I can comfortably do 4 tables (Even playing 4 different poker variants LOL). 5 is a little less comfortable and 6 is a stretch. I guess if you play a very NITty game at full 10 seaters, 8-tabling might be comfortable. But anything more than that must be difficult.

A typical hand will take about 1 minute. If you only play 10% of hands, you'll be able to reduce your decision time to a fraction of a second on 90% of tables, but the others will need action from you. 18 tables is about 3 seconds per hand on average, which doesn't leave a lot of time to make decisions. Sure, 90% of those decisions will be very quick, but the problem is that the ones that aren't are the ones that make and lose you a lot of money. If you've got a table popping up for a decision every 2 seconds or so, the difficult decisions could easily go wrong if you click a wrong button, or timeout

Even at 6 tables I've had that happen to me. I'm thinking about something and other tables pop up and before I can get back to the crucial one I've timed out.

Another factor to consider is the load on your PC - you'd want to make sure you've got a really good quality build and no driver problems - otherwise you're just asking for the system to crash!

[mrmuzeman]

There is a guy called IPUSHUFOLD on my network who sits in with the minimum buy in accross a number of tables now just to clear rake and bonuses.

I was wondering what that guy was up too. He used to have full buy ins and seem a decent player then nowadays I see him smushing about like a cock with his $20 all over the shop. I think I hate him for what hes done to himself.

[raisin man]

I was wondering what he was doing too. He's definitely a losing player too.

I don't understand how you can make money just doing that. Surely your still losing 66% of your rake?

So you'd have to be making at least that amount back in winnings too to be overall up?

Is my maths wrong?

You play on iPoker muse? What name?

I've noticed that whenever I sit down at 0.5/1 now, Chris is allways at my table. He must be doing some serious multitableing.

[mrmuzeman]

He must be doing some serious multitableing.

Well I think thats a given Raisin considering the thread were on and all

DEEPSTACKD

I havent ran into you before though Raisin.

Rake doesnt work like that. You dont even have to play hands to get rakeback, you just need to be dealt cards. Whether its you or someone else in the pot, doesnt matter its all the same rake, each player at the table just gets attributed a small portion of rake from each pot. So if you were an exactly break even player (and you knew this from pokertracker) youd still make money, how much money depends on how much rakeback youre bringing in.