FREEROLL PLAY OR WAST TIME??

[kristobal]

don't know if it is worth playing freerolls - but I had fun

[Jezza]

sony psps are cool, well done kris

[rejmak]

good job kris and good luck on final!!

[DAN DAN]

Very nice result Kris.

[kristobal]

Thanks guys, I tried some new loose-aggressive style and it worked, and all that fun I had... I mean lol, 5 hrs of pushing poeple around must be fun!

[DAN DAN]

Originally Posted by kristobal

Thanks guys, I tried some new loose-aggressive style and it worked, and all that fun I had... I mean lol, 5 hrs of pushing poeple around must be fun!

Will be avoiding you on Thursday night then Kris.

[kristobal]

Originally Posted by DAN DAN

Will be avoiding you on Thursday night then Kris.

Don't know how it's going to work against good players DD , but I'll try it tonight in 11K GTD at Betfair.

[kompressaur]

is this why freerolls could be a bad thing for a player-

** Dealing card to kompressaur: Queen of Spades, Ace of Spades
RiverStyx folded
cn888 folded
scars4life folded
waterson13 folded
Valderrama76 folded
bobbleij called - $20.00
kompressaur raised - $40.00
urascrotum called - $40.00
farmand222 folded
lusis777 called - $40.00
bobbleij called - $40.00

** Dealing the flop: Ace of Hearts, 10 of Clubs, 8 of Spades
lusis777 checked
bobbleij checked
kompressaur checked
urascrotum checked

** Dealing the turn: 7 of Clubs
lusis777 checked
bobbleij bet - $85.00
kompressaur called - $85.00
urascrotum folded
lusis777 folded

** Dealing the river: Queen of Diamonds
bobbleij bet - $200.00
kompressaur raised - $400.00
bobbleij went all-in - $683.23
kompressaur called - $883.23
bobbleij shows: 9 of Spades, 6 of Diamonds
bobbleij wins $2106.46 from the main pot

[Beanie]

That's more why min raising pre flop and checking top pair in late position could be a bad thing komp - a little more aggression needed there I think.

[kompressaur]

Thanks Beanie. It's good to get advice as i need it. Ive never thought of ever not minimum raising pre-flop truth be told Beanie i do the odd reraise but thats about it. Checking top pair? ah i see when i was sitting with the AA. If i check thus it gives them room to manouvre i see. Yes it would deflect from my top pair but it's giving the chancers a chance to get something. Cheers beanie i feel better for that advice. I think im gonna settle for some tonigth even though im in black and white monitor mode

[Beanie]

I'd would go with a standard 3 or 4 times the BB raise preflop with hands like that Komp - if you believe you have the best hand then you gotta make people pay to see more cards and get them to put their money in behind. By and large it won't scare them off and you will still get the action you want. That goes for the later streets as well...that flop is good for you but there are a lot of straight draws out there and in late position you can't really afford to give away a free card by checking - if people have yet to make their hands(like your opponent here) you have to make them pay before they do - again you could be suprised at how much people are willing to risk to hit their hands.

When you hit a nice flop with top pair nice kicker, trips or two pair or whatever, its tempting to slowplay(checking/calling) in order to let others catch up, but often they will either miss(and so you win a small pot) or hit a big hand themselves(and so you lose a big pot.) Sometimes there isn't a big pot to go with your strong hand and rather than trying too hard to engineer one its best to just take the small one and move on.

It's all neatly summarised by being aggressive - if you think you have the best hand then make people pay to see further cards and get them to put their money in behind.

[Bigkegman]

Originally Posted by Beanie

It's all neatly summarised by being aggressive - if you think you have the best hand then make people pay to see further cards and get them to put their money in behind.

I'm learning the hard way

Dont want to go into the details cause it's not a lot of money but twice i've let people see all the cards and it's ended up fecking me right up but i've not got the balls to reallt RAISE if you catch my drift..........

Learning learning learning

[Bigkegman]

Whats happening on the 28th Ed ?

some paradise freeroll ?

[kompressaur]

Thanks Beanie i feel good as i actually understood what you told me there. right i just wanna play. Youll get there Kegman.

Here's some Virgin Poker articles im reading as i go-

One of the sections within FLUSH Magazine is called The Poker Parliament. It's basically me abusing the fact that I have access to lots of pros, writers and celebs, and so can easily pass on questions from readers. Some are very simple, some pretty deep. Here's one that I thought would be worth sharing with you...

"What does 'stop 'n' go play' mean?" Ok - here we go...

You have QQ and your opponent has AK

You are first to act beyond the blinds, and raise. AK re-raises, you push all-in, AK calls.

OR - The Stop 'n Go method:

You are first to act beyond the blinds, and raise. AK re-raises... but you JUST CALL with the intention of using your eary position positively to push all-in post flop.

Why?

Well, with the first approach the good news is that you could win more from the hand as long as AK doesn't hit either of his cards. The negative aspect is that he has five cards to come and there's nothing you can do but sit, watch, and cross your fingers.

With the "Stop 'n' Go" approach you are taking advantage of the fact that (as we all sadly know) most of the time one doesn't connect with the flop. The good news is that you don't have to improve because you're already holding QQ. By pushing all-in post-flop, you're now forcing the AK player to give up all his chips having only seen three cards rather than guaranteeing him all five cards with an all-in pre-flop. Ask most people how good they feel about AK with a full board still to come... and then ask them how good they feel if they only had two cards to come.

When the flop arrives and doesn't contain an A or K, you push all-in and the blood drains from AK's face. You potentially aren't winning as many chips if you get AK to dump now, but you have an additional way to win besides praying the board is kind (i.e. your new-found fold equity).

If an ace or king does arrive on the flop, wel... c'est la vie - curse the poker gods and move on. The only difference is that with the first approach you would now be all-in anyway; helplessly watching the cards fall. In our second scenario however, you now have the opportunity to get away with a chip and a chair.

Hope that makes sense and proves useful.

[kompressaur]

The other night I heard someone say something very much off-the-cuff that I later reaslied was an interesting point - so here it is.

Basically the guy was talking about a player at his table that consistently made 'bad' calls with underdog cards even when he wasn't being offered good pot odds to call. It was really a thinly disguised list of out-draw and bad-beat stories, but then someone made a good point. Making a 'good' play against a bad player actually means you made a 'bad' play. If you play against someone where overbetting the pot with pocket jacks stops them playing (and outdrawing you) with rag aces, then that's a 'good' play. If, however, you find that no amount of overbetting gets rid of chancers gripping onto their rag aces or small pairs, then that move no longer has positive value against that player. In that situation it could be said that the action resulting in the most positive outcome would be to see the flop, and then start betting once the chancer has - hopefully - missed. This way you remain at the mercy of the cards, but at least you aren't already commited for all your chips.

Try flat calling or checking to the flop against these player, because they clearly don't want to play post-flop; prefering to let the poker gods decide once all that troublesom betting has been avoided by going all-in pre-flop.

You now have 3 options; you improve and work your magic from there; you don't improve but have the opportunity to out play him; you don't improve but can now get away from the hand cheaply if he has hit cards and improved.

You can't stop people making 'bad' plays, but you can stop giving them so much money for the pleasure. It only encourages them!