99 After A Pre-Flop Raise - What's The Plan??

[Scottieboy08]

Pre-flop raiser is a multi-tabling TAG, pretty good and straightforward (stats 18/9/1.8). Cold-caller on button is another regular, but he is Semi-Loose, aggressive post-flop (23/6/3.9). (Btw, the button was the guy with AK in the hand I had 78hh for the flopped flush last week if that helps)

Should I lead this and fold to a raise? Lead/call? Check/call? Check/raise?

Texas Holdem NL $0.50/$1 - 2007-08-05 19:49:53 Server
Table Esquel
Seat 1: Ritaen ( $13.50 )
Seat 2: jjwhale ( $101.30 )
Seat 4: matsis ( $119.50 )
Seat 5: kitezoltan1 ( $97.40 )
Seat 7: Hero ( $138.95 )
Seat 10: BartGoor ( $142 )

SB posts Small Blind $0.50
Hero posts Big Blind $1

Dealing cards

Your cards 9s 9c [Hero] (BB)

UTG raises $4, 2 folds, BTN calls $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $3

Dealing Flop 3d 6s 4h (Pot) ~ 12.50

[pistol984]

Tough spot mate. If you lead out then then your probably going to be raised and I don't like calling a reraise with 99 here. If I'd mate trips here I'd usually lead out and look for the raise then assess whether to call or reraise.

Based on that, and me expecting the original raiser to rerasie, I'd probably check and call a bet around pot sized as long as the button folds. After that I'd be checking to the original raiser and it's decision time again. Although, I suppose if you lead out and call the reraise you can also check the turn but with more cash in the pot and a stronger image???

On second thoughts my decision there looks really ugly but I can't think of a better way of playing right now on account of me being really really drunk.

[kristobal]

I'd probably try a check/raise and if he still called your raise then hmm , you might try checking your hand to the end but if he bets the turn - he's probably better and you must throw your hand away

[mrmuzeman]

Its a spot you find quite a lot really, you get the same sort of 'dilemma' when faced with 1 overcard to your PP as well on a regular basis. Difference is with this sort of flop you literally only are going to be behind to an overpair so you have to play past the flop really, hard to give that much credit to a pfr as to fold 99 here. Id check/call whatever he bet basically. Id fold if the button called a decent bet from him though.

You could bet it but people still like to hold onto their overcards quite a lot after theyve raised with them so it wont really help much and you might even get raised which would suck. Id rather check and hopefully get a bit of info from what the pfr bets (if indeed he does, its ok if he doesnt cos it means youve got him beat really) and what the button does also. I dont like betting into 2 players either there.

Presuming you check/call and the button folds id check the turn again and if he likes to bet again then id just give him credit then. If hes gona fire 2 barrels on overcards then good luck to him.

[Scottieboy08]

I felt check/call was the best route here tbh as well.


Dealing Flop 3d 6s 4h ~12.50

Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets $4, Hero calls $4, UTG folds

Dealing Turn 3d 6s 4h 5s ~ 20.50

Hero checks, BTN bets $4


Pretty sick spot. Anyone call and fold river? Fold now? Anyone lead the turn here?

[christianu]

Id call that bet again because of the size of it, could easily be AJ-Ak saying im not going to stop betting or some other weird hands... then lets see where the river takes us

[christianu]

Ive been playing a lot recentely, you been at any of my tables scotty?

[Scottieboy08]

No Chris. Keep missing you I think. I sit and you're just finishing up. How are you running recently?

[mrmuzeman]

Yeah 100% call see what happens

[mrmuzeman]

Just to back up what Chris was saying, heres a hand I played yesterday


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DEEPSTACKD [DA CK]

ShadowOwl: Fold
roy17: Fold
Morpheus1977: Fold
bombheadslug: Call $1.00
LegendDiaZ99: Raise $4.00
jukka6666: Fold
DEEPSTACKD: Call $3.00
bombheadslug: Fold

*** FLOP *** [H7 D9 S3]

DEEPSTACKD: Check
LegendDiaZ99: Bet $5.00
DEEPSTACKD: Call $5.00

*** TURN *** [C5]

DEEPSTACKD: Check
LegendDiaZ99: Bet $6.00
DEEPSTACKD: Call $6.00

*** RIVER *** [C4]
DEEPSTACKD: Check
LegendDiaZ99: Check

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $29.95

Dealt to LegendDiaZ99 [HJ HA]


It could easily be a similar thing here. My AK in this example works exactly the same as pocket pairs like 88 or 66 would in this hand as well. Theyd be check/call as well just the same.

Whenever the PFR bets half pot or less you always gota be suspicious. Especially if its just under half pot or exactly the same bet as the amount they raised preflop, thats usually a very good tell. Exact half pot or just a little over is kinda 50/50 as some people value bet with 1/2 pot bets.

[christianu]

Originally Posted by Scottieboy08

No Chris. Keep missing you I think. I sit and you're just finishing up. How are you running recently?

Doing well at the moment, started well, around 10 buy ins this month up to now.

Took a break last month from all poker, played like 20hrs all month! How you doing, how you finding ipoker?

[Scottieboy08]

Yeah good thanks Chris. I'm about 19 buy-ins up since I moved over (around 6 weeks now), so I'm pleased with that. Be good to have a battle with Muse and you at some point, maybe like a .25/.50 private cash table or sommat?

[Scottieboy08]

OK, well I decided to fold on the turn as I just felt I was drawing dead/to a chop a lot and felt a big river bet was coming.

[sir auron]

pocket nines are a bad memory for from wsop 2007,here is an extract from my diary:::

well my 1st foray into the wsop has ended after 3 and half hours..

was doing well had more than my starting chips and a rep as a rock...have had one h/u with player before when my a/k beat his a/8,so he knows me and i have sussed out his play..
anyway here goes,and i know a lot of you will think wtf were you doing in that hand,but i was there
i am in seat 3 and get dealt 9/9 and the guy in seat 1 raises 2x blind (blinds are 100/200),i call and everyone else folds.
flop is 2/2/3, i am thinking this is good,cos there is no way he has either.
he bets 400 again i go over the top with another 1k,thinking if he bets right off i`m folding..it takes an age and he decides to put me all-in to steal the pot,i have the read on him and just know he has nothing,i go all-in...he has a/8 and his face is a picture
anyway the turn is a 6 and i`m thinking oh yes a nice double up

well now the poker gods think feck you matey,and the river shows an ace


you should have seen my face,,grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
seat 1 is very apologetic and says he made such a bad call but didnt put me on a pair,i`m thinking you have watched me play for the last 3 hours wtf did you put me on,and if i see him again i will ask him,cos the last time we were h/u as i said i had him beat,anyway enough of that,i`ve now gotta get my head ready for the crap-shoot tomorrow which is the $1500 event 27.

have a little time now to explore vegas,so gonna pop over to imperial and caesars...


the next day in my 2nd buy in i played pocket nines badly ,so they are not my fave hand and will fold every time at the moment

[mrmuzeman]

Call these in future Scottie is what id say. Heres a very similar example from yesterday, UTG raiser etc.

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DEEPSTACKD [C10 H10]

alexandrovitch: Raise $4.00
Cat26: Fold
walmyster: Call $4.00
Minkey150: Call $4.00
gadot: Fold
DEEPSTACKD: Call $3.50
lolfdsaa: Call $3.00

*** FLOP *** [S7 H7 D3]

DEEPSTACKD: Check
lolfdsaa: Check
alexandrovitch: Bet $7.00 (Heres the bit less than half pot bet I said about. 7 into 20)
walmyster: Fold
Minkey150: Fold
DEEPSTACKD: Call $7.00
lolfdsaa: Fold

*** TURN *** [S2]

DEEPSTACKD: Check
alexandrovitch: Bet $10.00
DEEPSTACKD: Call $10.00

*** RIVER *** [D8]

DEEPSTACKD: Check
alexandrovitch: Bet $15.00
DEEPSTACKD: Call $15.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $81.00

Dealt to alexandrovitch [HA SJ]

Once you call the turn you have to stick to your guns and call on the river also.