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Old 06-01-2007, 09:13
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sky full tilt million dollar cash game

I missed the first episode of this!

Anyone see it? Was it any good? Or anywhere close to high stakes poker?

More importantly, has anyone got any torrent links for it PLZ

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Old 06-01-2007, 09:17
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Re: sky full tilt million dollar cash game

Even I forgot it was on this week!

Nothing on The Poker Bay. We gotta remember that there are three more episodes showing at 10pm on Tuesday night and that they're repeated the day after.

Early word over at The Hendon Mob's forums was that it wasn't particularly good.
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Old 09-01-2007, 21:48
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Re: sky full tilt million dollar cash game

There's one on at 22:30 tonight on Sky Sports 2, channel 402.
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Old 10-01-2007, 07:30
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Re: sky full tilt million dollar cash game

...and repeated at 9:30am on Sky Sports One this morning as well as two more repeat showings elsewhere on the Sky Sports channels. I'll be recording it even if I read that it's shite. I hear it's gimmicky and the playing is very loose.
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Old 10-01-2007, 07:31
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Re: sky full tilt million dollar cash game

SPOILER



I was watching some of that when I was down the club on a break. Ivey flopped a set of 2s vs Cunninghams AA. There was 51k in pot with all cards out and I said he should bet 17k cos theres hardly any way Cunningham could pass for that (the whole rainbow board was dry as fcuk and 9 high so Cunningham is smelling a rat for sure). Ivey bets 35k and Cunningham mucks his AA. Who said Ivey was perfect?
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Re: sky full tilt million dollar cash game

That was a great lay down by Cunningham.

It's not as good as HSP in my opinion, but then the US does do tele a lot better
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Old 10-01-2007, 10:47
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Re: sky full tilt million dollar cash game

A lot, lot, LOT better.

I made my concerns made over at The Hendon Mob's forums and the Full Tilt/Sky Sports shills called me blind. My jaw dropped to the floor in disbelief at what I was watching. All my worst fears came true.

I have so many things to say about this and the presentation of poker on British television but I am still stunned by what I just watched...it was just so horrible.

I eagerly anticpate the third season of High Stakes Poker next week as the antacid to the heartburn induced by watching FTMDCG.
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Old 10-01-2007, 11:22
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Re: sky full tilt million dollar cash game

Yeah stereoman I agree with your thoughts re the show, its HSP's poor brother.

Its unfair to dismiss UK TV poker entirely tho. Although we might not have any decent shows atm it is wise to remember it was late night poker that started the whole TV poker boom off. I remember reading an interview with that lipscombe guy (head of WPT) who said it was LNP that was first with the hole card cams, and that they basically took the show and adapted it for their own. Without hole card cams TV poker is crap so kudos to the team that developed LNP originally.

And yeah it was a good fold by cunningham. The board kinda sucked for ivey he could only really have a set, a K high flop would have been much nicer for him with the 2 there...but still good fold on TV that one.

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Old 14-01-2007, 09:01
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Re: sky full tilt million dollar cash game

Well nah, you preempted me there with what you think I was thinking.

I was a big fan of Late Night Poker but not so much the recent series with it's Poker Ace variant and then reverting back to the original format one we know and like (the one with mostly pros in it!).

Most folks around the world are oblivious to the existence of Late Night Poker and probably think it was the World Poker Tour that kicked things off with it's holecams rather than in the UK with the under-the-table cameras.

Nah, my thoughts about the presentation of poker on British TV is that it's mostly all 'Rounders' format SNGs with the winner-goes-on format that we ever see on Briitsh TV.

There is little or no variation (watching an actual MTT is rare) with not much of an alternative...and that sucks.

Full Tilt Million Dollar Cash Game should have been something special what with the producers having the hindsight of having watched TWO seasons of High Stakes Poker as to how they did it and as to what improvements if any could have been carried out.

What's wrong with it!?

1. A host with minimal input who merely bookends each segment.

Sky Sports/the producers doesn't seem to give a fcuk about the poker programming in that they just get a figurehead like they do for Ladbrokes Poker Million in that they just rope in any old person (Dave Clarke, Richard Orford, some other nobody) to do the coverage of the semi-finals and final.

Who the hell is Alex Payne? He's a goddamn Sky Sports newsreader. He has absolutely no presence, no authority and no reason to actually be there. The hosts should have been David Tuchman and Gary Jones.

2. Where's the chemistry and expert analysis from Tuchman and Jones!? Minimal.

Over at 2+2, Tuchman said himself he was there to do the colour commentary (Gabe Kaplan's role) whilst Gary Jones was there to do the play-by-play (AJ Benza's role). I appreciate Gabe Kaplan's analysis even more now as he guides the viewers through the possible thought processes of why a person did such an action as well as providing the funnies...and he does it so damn well.

I would go as far in saying that Gabe Kaplan is far-and-away THE best poker TV commentator.

What Tuchman and Jones are doing is nowhere near as good merely announcing what's happening, pausing for dramatic tension or having interplay with not particularly insightful comments as to what's happening on the table and then nothing.

Dave's said though that he and Gary was restricted in what they could say which definitely hampered both their analyses.

3. The presentation is horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE.

The set, the way the table's set out, the music, the on-screen graphics (the faux Binion's font for one thing), Having to introduce who everybody is at the beginning (three and a half minutes before we see the action starting) and the need to yet again tell those who've never played/watched poker what the rules and hand rankings are.

Every single fcuking poker show on British TV for the past ten years NEEDS to tell us the rules. If you don't know the rules, how to bet or what's happening, fcuk off, learn the rules/how to play then watch the show.

How many hands did we see in 48 minutes worth of episode 2? NINE. Five hands in the first 24 minutes. They've tried to make the show as idiot-proof as possible and they've bogged down the action with the various crappy things they delay the show with.

I think they're desperate not to copy or infringe on how High Stakes Poker do things and in trying to do it their own way, it doesn't work.

4. The format.

From what I've seen and read, it isn't a straight-up cash game as it's some kind of a 'tournament' in that whoever gets the most money at the end of the night wins a bonus prize and this is why the series is limited to FOUR episodes.

This ensures that the Full Tilt pros get an equal amount of face-time as they seem to have a set time-limit of playing time to play with.

5. Full Tilt just throw their money at TV programming and hope it sticks.

None of their specials have been remotely memorable (we got to see the Thanksgiving special in 2005 which was memorable for us in the UK but not so much for those in the US who didn't see what we saw...Devilfish's handwritten sign on his back promoting his website! ) and their recent glut of TV programming (NBC's Poker After Dark being their current baby in the US) seems more concerned about getting their brand name out into the public awareness than anything else.

They show absolutely little concern that the final product is of actual quality and Full Tilt are merely concerned that it attacts enough fish/new players enough into dumping their money at Full Tilt to justify the costs.
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Old 14-01-2007, 09:30
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Re: sky full tilt million dollar cash game

I was wondering why you were typing that reply for so long Stereo :loon

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Nah, my thoughts about the presentation of poker on British TV is that it's mostly all 'Rounders' format SNGs with the winner-goes-on format that we ever see on Briitsh TV.

There is little or no variation (watching an actual MTT is rare) with not much of an alternative...and that sucks.
I agree with that, it really does seem to be STT crapshoot stuff doesnt it. Often with that wanker Jesse May over the top (how annoying is he and hes crap at poker to boot).

With regards to commentary on the programme. They should get me and Jez to do it wed rock. I could be the English witty stat box and Jez could play off me with his Scottish bit of rough stylee. It could be a great double act, better than Morecambe and Wise cos theres no straight man so theres no dead wood. I could even pretend to be a wacky american on occasion and say 'Bingo Bango Bongo'. Wed have a little section where we could go 'over to Stereoman' for the odds in running as well.

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Every single fcuking poker show on British TV for the past ten years NEEDS to tell us the rules. If you don't know the rules, how to bet or what's happening, fcuk off, learn the rules/how to play then watch the show.
If they are going to insist on this, they should get a bare chested and big breasted model to do it at least so those of who know how to play have an interest.

You seen any of a guy called Tony Hakki on late night poker btw? Hes my boss at the poker club I work at. I havent seen him on them but I believe he did well one series.
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Old 14-01-2007, 10:13
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Re: sky full tilt million dollar cash game

I was following the cricket and playing a couple of MTTs and thought I posted my rant much earlier but I merely left this page up.

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Every single fcuking poker show on British TV for the past ten years NEEDS to tell us the rules.
Gawd, I don't proofread enough after I'm drunken alcohol. The above sentence sounds like I think that's a good thing that every British TV poker show tells us the rules (which it does imply when read like that but I didn't mean that at all).

Tony Hakki? On Late Night Poker? I probably would have but it appears he made his last and only appearance on LNP five years ago so I don't remember any of it...I don't remember Peter Costa winning that series at all for one thing (mind you, I don't remember much from 2002).

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=103
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Urgh I just seen on looking at some of his tourny results that hes played with Sean Murphy, that Irish cnut who knocked me out the cruise ME. Ill have to talk to him about him to see if he likes him or not

Oh sick look at Sean Murphys profile

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=26645

Its got the Cruise finish near the top there too :Pisses me off actually I woulda had a page on the sweet hendon mob website.
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Re: sky full tilt million dollar cash game

Aye spot on stereo. I have to agree with everything you said there. I thought this could turn into a really good poker show but unfortunately all your worst fears have been realised. I guess we just have to wait for HSP 3 for some good poker on TV. I know what you are saying re the rules of poker and the hand rankings "So Jesse, whats this dealer button all about?" .

Hey muse I remember that guy. The hitman. I didnt really know much about poker back that, I was just learning but he seemed pretty good at the time - he just vanished tho, did he stop playing or something and concentrate on this club he has? I clearly remember some hand he had where someone raised preflop with JJ and he slowplayed AA to them.

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Maybe it had something to do with the online poker boom. I know he plays a lot online alongside running the club. When I spoke to him on the phone I could hear the beeps and stuff in the background
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Re: sky full tilt million dollar cash game

The "tell is about that dealer button" part really does get to be seriously annoying. I can see perhaps at first when poker was just on the up why it was necessary in the original late night poker but these days there's no need.
You don't get someone explaining the rules of snooker or football every time they are on TV do you ?
I liked orginal late night poker. It was very late night, used to come on at 2.30am I believe. I'd come home early from piss ups and sit down with a few joints to watch it, great stuff.

I think the high stakes poker series has been a breath of fresh air. The play is much more interesting. Watching AQ v 77 races all day gets boring. Plus often players have to make plays due to blinds increasing etc. At cash games it's a different story. PLus what's the story with presenters as already mentioned ?
You wouldn't have a news reader present or commentate on a snooker match or the like so why with poker ?!?! Do people think you just get some decent tournament, film it and get any old presenter and it will make decent TV ?!
The presenters and commentators make a difference ! Love him or loathe him as least Jesse May is relevant to poker and on late night the other commentator would usually be some poker pro, more often than not someone who was a participant in the tournament itself.


I still enjoy playing far more than I do watching. Although I think that's true for most things for me. Not sure if Homer Simpson would agree though, "It's better to talk about stuff than to do stuff."
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