View Poll Results: Smoke Free Britain - Is it a good thing?
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Old 29-05-2007, 07:09
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Smoke Free Britain

Well it's just over a month to go til England goes smoke free. I think it's going to have a massive effect on smoking and smokers here. The amount of people I know that smoke because of those around them in clubs and pubs etc is massive.

Most people I know that smoke say they are going to give up when the ban comes in. I know this because I am finding it very hard to get orders for a tab run. No one is interested because they're all "giving up soon". Selfish bastards.

So its a quite simple - yes or no - is a smoke free Britain better for us all? If you cant answer yes or no, then simply you dont deserve a vote and that is why there are only 2 options.

I know the ban has been introduced in the colonies and so maybe some of our colonial friends from Scotland etc could give us their opinion on how it has been received.
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Old 29-05-2007, 08:34
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Re: Smoke Free Britain

The smoking ban in Scotland hasn't really effected me, I like the odd smoke every now and then, but I don't go out much.

I think it's a bad thing, even if you get used to it ... it's sort of like the thatcherite/marxist idea choice .. like it or lump it.
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Old 29-05-2007, 10:27
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Re: Smoke Free Britain

the smoking ban was implemented in Wales from April 2nd [ they couldn't risk trying to start it on the first]
i'm a non-smoker so the benefit has been that my clothes do not smell of cigarette smoke ,
a visit to the pub means you have a guard of honour of smokers before you enter
there are no ashtrays on the tables anymore , but the ground outside most pubs have become "ashtrays"
converstation in the pub has become disjointed as smokers can leave mid sentence to go for their cigarette

i don't like the dictatorial attitude of the government that has imposed the no choice no smoking policy
what was wrong in giving pubs and clubs the option of having a smoking and a non-smoking room and let the customers chose which one they frequent
a few people i know have given up/trying to smoking and can see that smoking will be reduced and the reduced revenue from the taxes the smokers paid will be transfer to everyone smokers and non-smokers alike , so eventually it will cost me more
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Old 29-05-2007, 11:51
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Re: Smoke Free Britain

I think various Weatherspoons pub in England introduced a voluntary smoking ban last year. It was such a massive success that they decided to drop the ban and re-introduced smoking.

I have mixed emotions Traeth - I agree that if the Government lose revenues from tobacco sales they will raise taxes accross the board in other areas. So it will have a negative financial impact on nonsmokers. They have to recoup the money from somewhere dont they.
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Old 29-05-2007, 17:22
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Anyone who smokes in public is a selfish cunt.
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Old 29-05-2007, 17:33
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I think the difference is amazing since it was brought in in Scotland. Wasn't till we were in England last November that I really appreciated a smoke free night out.

Only downside is how untidy it looks outside pubs now with everyone hanging about smoking.
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Old 29-05-2007, 19:28
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Re: Smoke Free Britain

being an ex smoker i never thought i'd say it but it does make one hell of a difference coming home from the boozer and your clothes not honking !!!
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Old 29-05-2007, 20:43
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Re: Smoke Free Britain

I can't see why the some pubs can't open as smoking pubs who employ smoking staff ?

There's plenty of pubs to go round.
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Old 29-05-2007, 21:22
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Re: Smoke Free Britain

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Anyone who smokes in public is a selfish cunt.
And why it that, ??

Do you seriously believe that so many people die due to passive smoking when the government cannot tell us how many have actually died if you ask them?

Who are these imaginary people dying in their thousands? They don't exist in reality thankfully, only in the minds of antismoking hate groups do they exist as it gives them the justification to impose ever more restrictive bans and induce fear into those gullible enough to believe the lie,.that a mere whiff of smoke is going to harm them.

There is not one person who can be named that died due to passive smoking.

Now you'll probably think to Roy Castle...

It is now taken as gospel by most people that Roy Castle died from lung cancer "caused by passive smoking". It is a very sad situation when anyone who has the misfortune to contract lung cancer, in whatever form, automatically believes that it has been caused entirely on their own smoking, or if a non-smoker like Roy was, then other peoples smoking must be to blame. Nothing else is publically considered nowadays.

If passive smoking is the cause of some cases of lung cancer it is necessary to presuppose the following.

Tobacco smoke, inhaled by active smokers over many, many years is implicated in an increased risk of developing both squamous and oat cell cancers of the lung. But, that same tobacco smoke, when inhaled by passive smokers at infinitely lower doses is somehow supposed to cause an entirely different type of cancer, adenocarcinoma, in a different part of the lung, not associated with active smoking.

Sir Austin Bradford Hill, who first discovered the increase in risk of squamous and oat cell lung cancer among active smokers found absolutely no association whatsoever between smoking and adenocarcinomas.

When Roy Castle had the autopsy, it was found that he had the wrong type of cancer to be associated with smoking.
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Old 29-05-2007, 21:26
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Re: Smoke Free Britain

Doomsday is fast approaching,it will be great to come home from the pub without the smell of smoke on my clothes
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Old 29-05-2007, 21:58
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Re: Smoke Free Britain

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do you really believe that there is no link between cigarette smoke and damaged health? Not just cancer - stroke, heart attack etc?

If you do, then we argue that point. If not, then people smoking in close proximity to others (e.g. indoors) are compromising the health of those others. Even on a far more trivial level, you end up reeking of smoke spending any amount of time in the presence of smokers.

EVERYWHERE in the world that has implemented smoking bans in pubs has seen better business and increased satisfaction - even the vast majority of smokers tend to agree with it. Take the Irish example:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0328/tobacco.html

Here are some comments from Northern Ireland:

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"Second-hand smoke is a toxic cocktail of around 4,000 chemicals - many of which cause cancer," he said.

"It is internationally accepted that there can be no safe level of exposure to second-hand smoke.

"Non-smokers exposed to second-hand smoke are 20%-30% more likely to develop lung cancer - not to mention the other illnesses and diseases.

"It is regrettable and astonishing that second-hand smoke accounts for the loss of around 278 lives each year in Northern Ireland.
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The Ulster Cancer Foundation said the ban marked a new chapter in the health of the population.

Gerry McElwee, head of cancer prevention at the charity, said: "We are absolutely confident that it will be an overwhelming success.

"All around the world smoke-free legislation has improved health, been implemented easily and had no negative economic impact."

He said research showed public support at 95% - well ahead of the 81% recorded in the rest of the United Kingdom.
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Old 29-05-2007, 22:19
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Re: Smoke Free Britain

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Anyone who smokes in public is a selfish cunt.

And why it that, ??
Apart from all the reasons cited so far,cigarette smoke contains nicotine,which is highly addictive.
Alcoholics don't get booze forced down their throats when they venture out of the house,and junkies don't get smack/crack/what have you,rammed into their bloodstream when out,but I get smoke into my lungs and nicotine into my bloodstream,just by being out in the street.
Selfish cunts is not strong enough.
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Old 29-05-2007, 22:22
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Re: Smoke Free Britain

I am constantly amazed at the arrogance of those mentally/physically weak degenerates.I remember Spike Milligan saying once on a talk show that he had invented a hermetically sealable glass dome to fit on every smokers head if they were in need after the meal!
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Re: Smoke Free Britain

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fox

do you really believe that there is no link between cigarette smoke and damaged health? Not just cancer - stroke, heart attack etc?
There is a link yes but only to those that smoke, im not saying it isn't, im saying that not one study into passive smoking and lung cancer has ever got close to showing that the former causes the latter.

It's not up to me to prove a negative.

It's up to you to prove it has.

Can you prove it has? without using phrases like "might" "may" "estimate" "Around" "Likely" ?
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Old 30-05-2007, 07:45
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Re: Smoke Free Britain

Lungs were not supposed to filter toxins. Anyway, if you smoke- you stink and you have no right whatsoever to make any non smoker stink too.
No technical evidence needed. BUT of course being a smoker -smelling worse than a turd through being in the vicinity is the non smokers fault isnt it FOX?
Arrogance personified --- always!!
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