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Old 03-07-2006, 18:40
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Serious Punting

Hey guys

After reading the max bet thread it got me thinking as i have never really taken punting too serious nor have i ever put a betting bank at the side where i worked from disciplined betting etc.

Quite fancy giving it a go for the new season though and im interested to get some advice from the guys on it all that have been doing it this way for some time now.

So far my betting has been all wily nily and just however much i fancied putting on it.

This isn't me turning to betting as a living by the way, i just want to become more disciplined and see how this way works for me compared to how i have been doing it.

All thoughts will be welcomed
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Old 03-07-2006, 19:00
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Re: Serious Punting

I'm doing the same thing Kiko. Got my bank (or I should say bankS as I have about four for different types of punting) all set up and with money in them ready for the new season.

I have a plan of action but I'll be reading this thread for any info to see if I can improve it in any way before the off.
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Old 03-07-2006, 19:13
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I think the most important thing to do is decide what your 'standard bet' is to be. Thats the bet thats going to be your bread and butter amount of the vast majority of your bets. Then decide your top end, what is the biggest bet you could possibly make realistically and thats your maximum bet.

I go on a 5-20pt scale. My 'Standard bet' is for a 5pt profit (eg 4pts at 5/4). If I really like a bet I will bet it for 10pts profit, those are a regular occurrence but much much less so than the 5pt bets. I hardly ever deviated from those 2 bet sizes last season, I occasionally went inbetween and betted for 7.5pts profit.

Personally I dont believe any one wager you will get will be worth going anymore than 4 or 5 times your standard bet, its very hard to ever find some absolutely supreme massive edge like that in sports betting.
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Old 03-07-2006, 19:17
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Re: Serious Punting

Those are just my opinions though, theres others ways of going about things but I find that to be an organised way to go about it.

You could also go just for fixed stake bets. Say £25 stake is your standard bet and £100 stake is your maximum bet for example. Saves you having to work out how much to bet for the more lazy (I feel fixed profit betting is ever so slightly more profitable in the long run but in reality theres really not much in it, but I like saying I won X amount on a bet and also for higher priced things it means you arent staking as much)
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Old 03-07-2006, 19:48
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Re: Serious Punting

also starting a bank, used to just be as kiko was and betting alot of higher stakes and missing mroe value bets in the process of the "saving", also going to bank all profit into a new bank account and see what i end up with, ie. i start with the same bank and (hopefully) finish with that plus an account full of profit!
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Re: Serious Punting

My thoughts would be your bank size first lets just say you have £5k , I would have a average stake at 5 or 6 pts now I personaly like to have 60 times my avarage stake . Working out what a point would be in this case say average bet 5pt £80 . 60x80 =4,800 then we know our point stake at £18 per point 5/80 . Small bet 3pts would be 3times £18 £54 large bet say 8pts 8times£18=£144. I try to stick to this as it works not bad for me, olso asses bank size after 3 months alter if needed.
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Old 03-07-2006, 20:51
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OK, I may as well throw out my thoughts as an example for your input. The numbers I quote are theoritical and I've made them nice and simple for calculation purposes.

As, Muze has said, I've been pursuaded to go for fixed profit staking at the higher end of my bets. I've broken my banks down into separate elements. The reason for this is so that I can quickly spot the types of betting that I'm losing with and try to do something about it.

You will probably gather that there may be some overlap with selections fitting more than 1 criteria (i.e a non league bet may be a selection for my strongest bank).


BANK 1. £1,000 (as I said, theoretical figure) This the bank for my strongest fancies only. To be honest, I've already put this bank into action before the world cup and it's currently well in profit in time for the new season. I had the idea of sitting in front of my computer screen on a Saturday morning and picking my two selections for this bank. Both of them would be to gain a 10% profit each (i.e £100 at the start) and both of them would be evens or over. Therefore, the maximum loss on day one would be £200. My bank would then be £800 and my next bet would be to aim for 10% of that (£80).

Now I can tell from reading threads that I place a lot of bets relative to many people on here and it struck me that two bets on a Saturday is not going to keep me happy

This is where BANK2 comes in. Again £1,000 and again for a 10% return OR A MAXIMUM STAKE OF £100 if the selection should be odds on. That way I don't end up kicking myself if I refuse to back something I really like the look of but can't back with bank A because it's below evens.

With me so far? Still awake?

BANK 3 is also £1,000 and is purely for non league tips (I won't go on and on masaging the egos of Muze and AMP and Was etc etc again but non league kept my head above water towards the back end of last season -along with Swoops cricket tips). The stake for this will not be for fixed profit but will be based on the strength of feeling among the tried and tested non league "experts" on this board. There will be a maximum stake though and, again, this will be 10% of the bank.

BANK 4 is my laying bank, You'll have to bear with me on this I've laid precisely two bets with it so far so I've yet to see how it pans out in practice but the theory is that I start (or started) with a bank of £500 and I laid bet one to lose a maximum of 10%-Germany v Argentina at 3.05 to lose £50 (10%) or make a profit of £24.40, or £23.13 after commision. Winner makes bank £523.13, laying Brazil to beat France at 1.92 (stupid price as it would be lower later but I went for it as soon as the France Spain game had finished ) to lose £52 (and some pennies) or win £57 (54.15 after commision). Win takes bank to £577 ish and the next bet will be a lay to lose £57 or £58.

I'm sure you get the idea. Anyway, that's Bank 4.

BANK 5 is £300 and that is set aside for other sports.
Any tips that I may follow on tennis, basketball, golf, etc etc mainly from TDP members, I will use this bank to monitor. I have no hard and fast rule on staking here but I'll try to keep within bets of £5 and £40 depending on strength of feeling and on price

My final bank is BANK 6. I've no doubt some people who know me are expecting it to be a horse racing bank but it isn't . The reason I haven't set aside a horse racing bank is that I'm comfortable with my staking and make an automatic decision based on strength of feeling and of price. What I'm modestly trying to say is that I know I make an overall profit with my current methods so I see no need to tinker with it. In any case, I'll get an overall picture of my running profit and loss as I keep a spreadsheet updating my betting accounts weekly (as a minimum) so I'll also get an overall figure as well as these individual breakdowns.

Anyway, on to BANK 6. This is £200. The reason for this figure is to round the total off nicely to £4000 but in truth it's not really relevent because the staking will be a round £10 per bet with possibly the odd £20 bet thrown in now and again. This bank is for any selections gleaned from the worldwide forums and from the Brit forums (usually lower leagues).

And that's my sole bared. As I say, my cash is in place and ready for the new season but I'd welcome any input anyone may have.

One final thought that I've been wrestling with. I see it as an overall bank of £4,000 but I'm toying with the idea of moving money between them if necessary. Example, if bank 6 gets to zero, do I bring another £200 in from my cash (in which case, what's the point of having a betting bank in the first place) or do I just transfer some from Bank 1 (in which case I am affecting my future staking plan)

Fuck knows.
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Old 03-07-2006, 21:08
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Re: Serious Punting

ODM, if the Doc reads that you're gonna be sued for causing a heart attack.

I'm all for keeping it simple, FS 2 to 5% of overall bank. FP and Kelly are proven to be more efficient but that involves more work and more sums. Laziness and less numbers wins every time.
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Re: Serious Punting



Which bit's won't he like?


My problem is that I'm into allsorts of different betting, for different reasons and for different stakes. If I lump em all together and just bet a % depending on how I'm feeling at the time then there's fuck all point in having a bank because I'd just be doing exactly what I'm doing now.

The point is to try to implement some kind of structure and discipline although it may not seem to be thus from the outside I admit.
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Quote:

Which bit's won't he like?
All of it; including the spelling.
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Then he can suck my dik the pretentious prik
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Re: Serious Punting

ME Myself , i found some tipsters in this forum and other forums.
For example i found a professional in Italy leagues , a professional in spain league , a professional in france league , ....
Depend on the tipster , i change my stake.
For example when Onedunme tip a horse i bet my max stake (30$) and if i found a horse somewhere else i'll stake 5$ to 10$ on it.
And in soccer if best tipster i know tip a soccer game , i'll bet my max stake on soccer (50$) and if other tipsters tip a soccer fixture then i'll bet 10$ to 30$ on that game.
Also i don't bet on horses with odds >= 2
and for soccer >= 1.70
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Re: Serious Punting

A lot of this has been said before but always worth repeating again.

Be disciplined - no punting for the sake of it, no "interest" bets just cos a game is on the TV (unless stakes are very very small), no late night NBA/NHL/MLB punts just because your sat at work bored and want something to get you through the night....Kiko


Keep a record - starting bank, note EVERY bet you make. Include bookies, price, commission, selection, competition, type of bet. This really is a must, probably as important as being disciplined and the two really go hand in hand. No "cheating" and forgetting to record the odd losing bet. My records tell me exactly how much I have on, which bookies have my money and whats my available balance at any one time. I had 1,268 bets last year from 1/7/05 to 30/6/06 and I have a record of every one in a spreadsheet.

A couple of things I picked up from record keeping.

Some who were about on old PL may remember I used to post selections in practically all the Scottish and English leagues, right down to Div 2. Some winners, some losers but not all my bets made it to PL for one reason or another.

At the end of two seasons ago I looked at my P/L broken down per competition. I found that I sucked at English Div 1 and 2. Not surprising really, trying to cover all relevant news in these leagues as well as the CCC and EPL and 4 leagues in Scotland. It was easy to miss something important, especially local news and you were really punting at a disadvantage at times.

So I stopped betting these two leagues, just like that, and more or less the Championship as well. EPL news was in my face every day, games were on the telly etc. I read a Scottish paper every day so kept up to date with Scottish stuff, the local news that someone down south may not be able to pick up on and the sort of stuff I was missing out on for Div 1 & 2 down there. Result is I made a much better profit last season from mainly sticking to Scotland, EPL and throwing in the odd CCC as the season progressed, mainly Reading. I think in total I had maybe 2 bets on Div 1, one loser and one winner. But overall I blanked these leagues completely, didn't waste any of my time looking at them, hell I couldn't even tell you who was promoted and relegated.


It was a similar story when I looked at my laying teams on Betfair, thought I was doing well but in reality my staking was pish and my profit was actually a loss. Again, cut it out and it helps the bottom line figure.


Cutting down on both your less successful areas and the time you spend looking at these areas, which can be put to better use elsewhere, does wonders for your P/L and this can only be done through analysing your betting records therefore the need to keep a record really is a must.


Staking - as Mr M and a couple others have said, figure out what your stakes are going to be in relation to your bank. And stick to them. Review them every so often (again, from your records) and adjust accordingly.

There are two ways to go about your staking - fixed stakes or fixed profit (like Mr M). I know Doc has ran figures through his various test and he favours fixed profits as well. Me, personally, I am just more comfortable with fixed stakes.

I have essentially two types of bet I do. Based on current bank and stakes, one will be 0.5% of my current bank, the other will be 1.5%. These are pretty conservative figures in relation to my bank and probably mean I am not maximising my profit potential but again, its what I am comortable with, and that is important as well. You have to be comfortable with how much your punting. It also means its VERY unlikely I will ever go bust and if I did then you wouldn't see my round here again.

So stick to your stakes and make them a comfortable % of your overall bank. "Whole bank jobs" are for loudmouth wannabee's on the Betfair forum trying to impress a load of people they are never likely to meet in real life. The day I start to see that sort of advice on here is the day I take up Mod rights and start deleting their ass


Screw bookies for their opening account/free bet offers - if there is a new bookies offer, take advantage. Stuff like Mansion last season really had to be taken because your on a no lose situation and the only thing that can benefit is your betting bank. Don't feel its silly to lay of part of your feebie to guarantee a profit either way. Something is better than nothing. Its easily done if have patience and a good scan through comparable odds on Betfair.

I have just done another couple of new accounts, bookies I have never had an account with before, walked away with nearly £60 in my pocket/bank through no risk. It all counts. If you haven't opened at least 40 online bookies accounts now then why not, there is money out there waiting for you??!!

You may also be able to pass some benefits on to TDP if there is affiliate link in place.


Get a Neteller account and always take the best price - I have 38 bookies on my records for 2006/7. These are all accounts that I have used over the past season. There are probably about another 10 or so that I have just taken an account with to get freebie out of. 20+ my regular accounts take Neteller. All your High St favourites take it (Laddies/Hills), you Mansions and Betfairs take it and you open up markets at places like NordicBet and Expekt with ease. Its an easy way to move money around and it means you will never say again "I wish I could get that 2.10 at Nordicbet but its a lot of hassle/overseas bookie, I will just take the 2.00 at Laddies".

Take the best price when ever possible. Much like the free money, it all counts in the long run.


Thats about it for now, I am sure there is more and apologies for deviating a bit of the betting bank subject but I do think a lot of the above all goes together in relation to taking punting more seriously.
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ODMs got more banks than Barclays
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They've only got one haven't they

Do you mean branches?
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