Screwing the bookies on their opening account offers

[crowie]

As I have opened accounts with almost every bookie I have ever seen on the t'internet and am now in the realms of "Who the fucking hell are they....ohh good they are giving me a freebie......" territory (Wauw Gaming, Gold Victory, Stryyke, Noxwin and Jetbull being some recent conquests). Ohh and online freebie bingo. Up £150 in two weeks, get into it folks


However its getting harder and harder to get my free money fix. I am now looking at stuff like Betboo, apparently "South America's foremost online bookie", and worried that if I do their freebie I will have the Cali cartels after me.

I am actually at the stage of offering a mate who is a betting "virgin" and has a nice clean bank card for me to open various accounts for him and take a cut of the profits for my hard work.


In conversation with a lad at work a couple of days ago I said I would love to be able to have my "slate" wiped clean and do all these lovely account opening offers again (Boyles £200, Bet365 £200, Laddies did a £200 recently, fucking £50 when I opened an account with them).


So it got me thinking a bit more. If I was to get another bank account say, and a random Yahoo/Google email addy, whats the chances of me being able to do all those lovely ripe offers again?


I know that my address could be a problem but has anyone ever "accidentally" put in the wrong post code or house number when opening bookies accounts. Does if fuck up things like bank card verification etc. Do banks allow you to have a different address for a different account ie my mums......probably not as that just sounds dodgy as fuck - "Hello my bank manager, I would like a bank account and card but can you register it an address where I don't actually stay.....", I would spread bet it would be 3-5 seconds before he was furiously tapping the red panic button on the bottom of his desk.


IP address might be a problem but there is cloaking software out there like IP Hider which might cover that?


So, has anyone been a bit naughty and opened up more than one account at the same bookies for offers. And what problems did they encounter? PM if you want to remain discreet


Mods - if this post blackens the good name of TDP then please feel free to delete....after a few folk have replied.

[Beanie]

I've never done it large scale, but I have about 3 accounts at Paddy Power for whatever reason. I think its mainly because one day I wont be able to remember my login details and cant be bothered using the customer service dept at that particular time - quicker to open a new account

I made no effort to hide it - all usernames are pretty much identical as are the addresses, I might have changed a letter or two just incase they have some sort of matching software on names and addresses.

And I got the new account bonuses on all of them, no problems. Got a few at Bet365 too - again, no problems.

[crowie]

Cheers Beanie.

Good to see that some bookies don't have detection down to the nth degree just yet.

[GaNgStA kEeKs]

I have done this a good few times Crowie

Betfair you have NO chance of having another account with. Stictest by far. I have to list Stan James as a bookie i must have heaps of accounts with for their free bet.

[crowie]

No probs with Befair Kiko, their opening offer isn't outstanding and I would be using my current account BF to match off any new account offers.

Cheers for the info though.

[selectabet]

Yeah I've done it loads Crowie. Not necessarily to take advantage of the free bets but more to get my betting bank in order.

You could always open an online account (if you haven't already) at somewhere like Cahoot. I did this so as to keep m current account separate from my betting. You don't need to speak to anyone to open an account and it'll be set up within the week I think.

I'm guessing you'll be 'arbing' to maximise your free bet returns? If not drop me a line and I'll explain.

[selectabet]

Forgot to say, some bookies are indeed stricter than others. I've had the odd account closed or refused, from memory I think Bet365 prevented me for some reason and Coral / Eurobet closed one of my accounts.

I had old accounts that I asked to be closed, so it could free me up to open new ones.

I even opened an account 'for my dad who can't use the internet'

[crowie]

Originally Posted by selectabet

Yeah I've done it loads Crowie. Not necessarily to take advantage of the free bets but more to get my betting bank in order.

You could always open an online account (if you haven't already) at somewhere like Cahoot. I did this so as to keep m current account separate from my betting. You don't need to speak to anyone to open an account and it'll be set up within the week I think.

I'm guessing you'll be 'arbing' to maximise your free bet returns? If not drop me a line and I'll explain.

Cheers

Nice reminder on the Cahoot account, we actually have 2, one in joint names, one in my wifes name only which is sitting pretty dormant as was used for a house extension a few years ago.

I might well use that one as a different name/DOB would always help. Just have to find her bank card now for it. And hopefully not have to speak to any Customer Service reps at any point....unless I can put on a high voice for a short period of time


Will indeed be arbing out any offers, its what I do with every offer now, guaranteed money in the bank is not something I will turn down nowadays. I remember about 4 or 5 years ago getting a Betdirect freebie of £40 and sticking it on a 4 fold. A 4 fold FFS! All short priced but you could guess what happened......fucking Borussia Dortmund.


Nowadays there is so many good offers that the potential returns for doing them all could certainly account for about £2k if done right. Donglemouse on MSE has made £7k+ in new account offers alone.

[selectabet]

£7k?

Dn't think I'd have the patience for that but I need to take another look. Might be worth another blog post that one.

[mrmuzeman]

You can screw over William Hill if you want, theyre the thickest online bookie out there

[crowie]

Gave this a wee tester with an Irish based bookie that are not Paddy Power.

£200 "bet basket". Apparently.

First bet on, loses. Get first £50 free bet, back and lay on horses, bout £43 profit.

You then have to do a set of 5 bets and you will get another free bet to the average of your 5 bets.

So backs ANC game (lost), cricket game twice (void), and other ANC twice (lost). Gets a freebie £50, arbed out on horses, £40 odd profit.

This weekend I bet EPL (winner!) and Serie A (winner!). Last night I went to do cricket, can't get £50 on, phone CS.

So I phone them and they tell me price is now 1.80, was 2.38 online (?!) and I can have £25. No thanks.

I then try and do some stuff in UEFA Cup (1.33, 1.40 and 1.53). I can't get fuck all on online and I have to phone CS.

They go away to their "traders" who tell me I can have a max of £25 on each game. £25!?!!

So basically my record at this bookies is W2 L4, lost 2 freebies and voided 2 bets. I have bet a total of £400 of my own money and made £45 profit on the two winners. I am down £155 to them.

The lad at CS went back 3 times to "traders" and despite me being £155 down over about 8 bets they won't budge. I mention that they offer a £200 "bet basket" and how is anyone supposed to get £200 in free bets if their accounts are limited after 8 bets? He saw my point but they wouldn't budge.

Now if anyone was doing this as just a punter, and not the way I am, what the fuck are they going to do when their limited half way through the bet basket and can't get a bet on online. On a losing account?!

Bunch of cunts. I would be more angry if this was my first account with them though!

[skinnyman9000]

How do these 'betting baskets' work then?

I'm always dubious of these 'opening bonuses' after i played on a few casinos. Some will offer you say, £200 if you deposit £200. They then want you to wager £30k before you can withdraw the £200 bonus. They also make it so that blackjack (the only casino game you really have any control over what happens) as counting 10% towards the bonus, so you the have to wager £300k to get £200 back!!!! Not only that, but the wagering money is taken from your balance before the bonus balance!! So if you get 25% of the way through, and change your mind, you cannot withdraw your initial deposit. All in all i've found sign-up bonuses to be a complete crock of shit.

So, are the betting bonuses any better?

[traeth]

Originally Posted by skinnyman9000

All in all i've found sign-up bonuses to be a complete crock of shit.

So, are the betting bonuses any better?

it is well worth reading the terms and conditions of any offer , i've got over 15 betting accounts and joined to get the bonus ,learnt from some early "mistakes" due to not reading the T&C.
Some have a matched bonus , others have minimum odds , so my advice is read the T&C , the front page have links to the offers

[crowie]

Originally Posted by skinnyman9000

How do these 'betting baskets' work then?

I'm always dubious of these 'opening bonuses' after i played on a few casinos. Some will offer you say, £200 if you deposit £200. They then want you to wager £30k before you can withdraw the £200 bonus. They also make it so that blackjack (the only casino game you really have any control over what happens) as counting 10% towards the bonus, so you the have to wager £300k to get £200 back!!!! Not only that, but the wagering money is taken from your balance before the bonus balance!! So if you get 25% of the way through, and change your mind, you cannot withdraw your initial deposit. All in all i've found sign-up bonuses to be a complete crock of shit.

So, are the betting bonuses any better?

Well this one is saying there is £200 available in bonuses.

So after your first bet of up to £50 you will get a bonus of £50.

Then after your next 5 bets they will take the average of your stakes across those 5 bets and give you that..again up to £50.

Likewise after bets 6-10 and again, finally, after bets 11-15.

However as you can see from my post above then to get the max bonus, £200, your having to bet £50 per time (at least) but it seems that once the cotton onto someone betting £50 a go they are quick to limit their amount available to get on.

So for me, bets 6-10 were 50, 50, 25, 25 and 25 meaning I got a £35 free bet as thats the average of those 5.

I would imagine if I continue then it would be £25, at best, on the last series of bets.

So its a bit misleading if they say we will give you £200 in a bet basket but then very quickly limit your chance of ever getting that much, even if your a losing punter with them.

[crowie]

Originally Posted by skinnyman9000

How do these 'betting baskets' work then?

I'm always dubious of these 'opening bonuses' after i played on a few casinos. Some will offer you say, £200 if you deposit £200. They then want you to wager £30k before you can withdraw the £200 bonus. They also make it so that blackjack (the only casino game you really have any control over what happens) as counting 10% towards the bonus, so you the have to wager £300k to get £200 back!!!! Not only that, but the wagering money is taken from your balance before the bonus balance!! So if you get 25% of the way through, and change your mind, you cannot withdraw your initial deposit. All in all i've found sign-up bonuses to be a complete crock of shit.

So, are the betting bonuses any better?

Some bookies have very good sign up offers. Laddies and Hills regularly offer £100 free bets (if your first bet after sign up with them is £100) in the RP on a Saturday. I would expect the odd £200 offer to be thrown in roundabout Cheltenham time.

Most of these free bets are SNR (stake not returned), which is to stop you punting £100 free bet on a 1.01 shot and walking away with £101 for virtually no risk. So therefore if you stick £100 on a 1.50 you get to keep the profit, £50.


Some bookies give you account credits which is better because then if you win your "free" bet you get stake and profit back. However these ones normally have a min odds (again to stop the 1.01 betting) and a wagering requirment, say you have to bet your deposit and the free bet stake 3,4,5 or so times ie £600, £800, £1000 worth of bets. Still worth doing especially if you can "lose" early and have laid the bet off on Betfair or the likes.

As traeth said, read the T&C's before you do any new account to see whats expected off you.


Ahh I remember the old days when Mansion would give you £50 just for opening an account with them.....and it was withdrawable straight away