Becoming a real tipster.

[christianu]

I dont wanna sound like a knob here but i probably will, but how would i go about say becoming a real tipster charging money for tips etc..

Now im not saying I would, as I beleive in the whole sharing with fellow punters and im just curious if I ever fancied doing it how would it work?

I had a successful year last year:

http://www.thedailypunt.com/forum/sh...542#post138542

Plus a good world cup but bit of luck involved in that with Italy.

But thats only one season, i mean I could fail miserably next year.

Plus it might be a bit of a niche so to speak with my 2/1+ kind of system so that might appeal, I think I could do a better job than most of these tipsters earning money from it, but i guess a few on here could anyway.

I'll say again that I dont wanna sound like an arrogant knob here that thinks he's the bees knees, even though I probably do lol.

[mrmuzeman]

Dont know you arrogant knob

Well I guess youd have to be into doing your own website and stuff like that for a start. Youd have to be solid as well all season round cos didnt you take a few months of the season off cos you couldnt be arsed anymore.

You could call your website WWW.ODDSONISFORCNUTS.COM

[christianu]

lol Yes I couldnt start now as havent done it near enough long enough. Like i said i could be shit next year.

Odds on IS for cunts, just ask crowie about that.

[mrmuzeman]

YES! I have finally trapped and tricked the great Christianu into a fatal error!

West Brom vs Chelsea 4pts@1.5

and from above...

Odds on IS for cunts

Hahah hee hee hoo hah

[christianu]

Lol, yeah but it was 1/2 and I got mixed up with it being 2/1..ah, oh

They won 2-0 anyway

[A.M.P]

Sounded a good bet to me anyway.

I have conflicting feelings about this paid tipster lark.

For example, if you we're a paid tipster what should your yield be?

Then I found this site:

http://www.sports-tipsters.co.uk/league12.php

And decided to compare my 14.2% from 400 odd bets. As you can see, it compares well.

The shocking thing is two at around my level, "Nelson bet advisor", and "Bets 4u horseraising" charge $45 and $35 a month!!!!!

Next season I'm looking at having all the tips on our site proofed on sportstipster. They do charge a fee, so at the moment we currently trying to sort something out as my tips as you know are free.

If I was ever to charge for my tips (and if people are doing it with less returns than me and my niche market is eroded due to people punting on my tips anyway) it'd be something like a $5 or a tenner a month, with the next month free if no profit made. Something like that I guess.

Paid sites seem to be seen as a bit of a cop out and are greeted with catcalls in our forum community. Those of you that know me know I do o.k out of my tips anyway because I'm betting on them all !!!

But consider this. I'm just moving into a 2 bed house where the rent is $75 (GBP) a month (Beer is 19p a bottle for the local San Miguel Brewery from the 7-11 for SINGLES btw).

I'm going to have no job for the mean time so I'm hoping for my gambling (which if the returns stay around 2005/06 levels it will do) to make up the shortfall. If I could one day get paid for my tips to pay the rent and food and keep Mrs. AMP (kinda) happy then why not?

AMP

[crowie]

Originally Posted by christianu

Odds on IS for cunts, just ask crowie about that.

Being serious Chris, as other said, you really have to start proofing your selections somewhere, possibly Joe's site as mentioned above. You will only get people to pay for your services if you can prove you can do it longer term. You would have to provide a consistent set of bets, no disappearing for 4 or 5 weeks at a time.

As for 2/1+ "system", yep it might be a niche market but you would then have people asking questions such as

Why 2/1, why not 3/1 or 5/2, whats so special about 2/1?
2/1 with who? Laddies, Corals, Betfair, the average price?
Are you never going to advise under 2/1? What if you saw a team priced 7/4 but thought they should be 5/4? Would you not advise that?

It can be done but I do honestly think that with the amount of information about nowadays, especially with forums like these, that its VERY difficult to sell someone something when they could possibly pick up the same information for free elsewhere. Especially for a newcomer.

AMP could have a case as his info is more difficult to find but if your betting on EPL, CCC etc your only passing on info thats already available to the majority of punters, in which case to get paid for it you have to be a bit special.

[TheGooner]

Some things to think about :

Are you going to keep reading and using other peoples free advice in your columns without giving anything back into the forum ?

After all if people are paying for your tips then it can't be posted for free too.

(we call that lurking ...)


What about when you read an idea on the free forum - will you use that in your paid tips too?

(we call that masking ...)


And will you blantantly post on forums everywhere desperately trying to get more paying customers onto your list?

(we call that SPAMMING ... )


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I've seen at least half a dozen people pass through my site on their way to becoming "real tipsters" - none of them seemed to enjoy it ... and only one of them went into a second year.

I keep GoonersGuide.com free because I enjoy the banter - and I probably gain twice as many "nuggets" of advice from others as I dish out.


And I've enjoyed all 5 years of doing it that way.
It's a hell of a lot friendlier ...

[ONEDUNME]

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[christianu]

Yeah thanks just wanted some thoughts as I definitely wouldnt do it next year as I havent had enough experience, proof and I dont really want to as Im a forum man.

Why 2/1, why not 3/1 or 5/2, whats so special about 2/1?

Its 2/1+ so anything up until 100/1 but I do go below as you pointed out as why bother missing out on clear value like my Chelsea bet, but if i wanted to keep it a bit original I could leave these out.

I suppose you cant make that much really and if you were that good a tipster the profits you make would be enough to live on anyway.

It was just something i wanted to know about.

[A.M.P]

Fair enough Gooner. You make some salient points.

I take it affliates provide you a revenue stream then?

Is this a risk free and socially more acceptable way of doing it I wonder?

[EdgeSeek]

Too true Gooner. I myself have used a few so called "professional advisory" services in the past. Many a time there are ups and downs and the long term yields do not really justify the services strike rates.

I've also noticed that many of them sometimes do stumble upon some "systems" or "algorithms" of sorts that actually do help forcast quite accurately... for a while at least... But things change and if these "systems" somehow do not catch up or is lacking one or more parameters due to the changing environments, all hell breaks loose and some of them end up with a 6 to 10 game loosing streak. Needless to say, a lot of flaming and threats to the physical well-being all over the place.

For some who would like to try, I would recommend just for the fun of it to enrol for the usual "1 month cheap trail" thingie. Relatively cheap but you can at least see their results for 1 month before making any decisions. Would not put any money on those tips based on their stakes though... But if their picks do agree with your OWN analysis, then well and good...

ONLY try out those that appear at the START of the season. ie, NOW... If you get some spamming mails sometime in September onwards... Most of the records are a lie. Some even claim 60%-80% yields...!!

I guess nothing beats experience when it comes to sportsbetting and all the analysis and information in the world only still brings it to 80% probability. After all, the ball is still round... Mother nature loves surprises and referees and linemen could have "offdays" ;-) re: Italy...

Suggest we all continue with the fundamentals and share in case some might have stumbled upon bits and pieces of information that others might have missed out. This way, at least we stand a better chance... :-)

By basics it would be the usual,

1) Current Form
2) Historical Power and Class
3) Available Personnel for that match
4) Psychological factors for the teams - Both sports and non-sports related
5) Motivation at time of match
6) Cup game effects
7) Local Derby effects
8) Old "enemy" effects
9) And the list goes on... There are many books and articles out there that look a so many things...

Again... it would have to change for changing environments and the inherrent nature of the leagues that one is tracking. One thing that always ring true is that one size does not fit all...

End of the day, do try to specialize in 1 or 2 leagues and you will find that your strike rates and yield increases significantly.

Discipline to walk away when unsure or in doubt is also crucial if we are to prevail. After all, isn't there games EVERY day...? Why not live to fight another day...?

Cheers and Good Luck to us ALL...!!! :-)

[ONEDUNME]

I don't know where you usually hang out Edgeseek but I'm embarassed to say that's the first post of yours that I've read and I love it.

Must seek more out later when I have time.

Spot on about the exagerated claims

Spot on about the possibility of short term strategies being just that - short term.

Spot on about the verbal abuse and physical threats when things go tits up.

All in all, probably not worth the hassle.The first question any potential subscriber will (or should) ask is "If your tips are so good, why aren't you making enough money from them without selling them".

It's a good question.

[EdgeSeek]

Cheers OneDunMe,

Too true on the question of charging when one's strike rates are so good...!

Also, on a related topic but not meant to put anyone off anything...

I was on a trip in Thailand and as usual we were out drinking on a weekend and we saw a group of thugs chasing a few nerdy looking guys with laptops... You guessed it... charging for a losing streak that cost the local thugs a fair penny at their local bookmakers. Not sure what happened after that... we were errrr... "pre-occupied"...?? ;-)

You are right in that it is generally not worth the trouble... But then, there are a lot of mugs out there... I know... I was one a few years back, thinking these "professionals" know what they were doing. In a perverted way, they did know.... that they were conning me for my subscriptions...!!! :-(

Unless you have a very very very good buddy who is on the sports analyst team of the big bookmakers... It is kinda stupid to blindly follow the "most probable outcome" of these "services"...

Cheers.

[Grga]

There are a lot of good tipsters on this forum who could easily work in paid services.
I know all of us are sometime frustrated with giving our picks here for free when out there is some cunt who has TDP in his favourites and every day steals our picks and previews and gets money for copy/paste work.