Ever feel like quitin..what way do you gamble?

[Cinny]

This past while ive been in a real bad rut gambling and it seems no matter what i do im not getting bets up and getting chinned in the worst ways ever.

For example there was Brechin a few weeks back but ever since that things have been bad. That night Benfica knocked a treble by conceding in the 87th minute after only going ahead in the 79th. It seems everytime i back something for example someone gives their tip, i'll go and do it yet it gets beat. However they'll put up another tip ill not do it and it wins and so the circel continues.

On Saturday i took an afwul hammering backed 3 irish league teams in a treble, let down by Glentoran 0-0. Then i backed utd, arsenal, chelsea waiting on newcastle 0-0. Also QPR, Carlisle, Peterhead and York 2-2 who game in for great support before the off. Then as i left to head out Saturday night i had a winning 4 timer in the 84th minute, done vitesse, marseille, germinal and auxerre who conceded in the 85th minute much to my absolute disgust.

Is the fact of backing trebles or quads hampering my chances of making profit as it seems to be whats your best ways of betting? singles doubles etc

[jbgb007uk]

The best way of betting is singles. Plain and simple, you will get better results by doing this.

I ask you a question, why do bookmakers produce specials with doubles/multiples but very rarely singles? It is because there is a great probability of a double/multiple losing rather than a simple single.

All I can say is keep it simple AND read more around the subject. Read Read Read and then give your opinion.

Then look and see if its value, to do this you need to price up the event and see if you are getting a fair bet. If not leave it alone!!!

[ONEDUNME]

It's true Cinny. I know someone who tells me every week how unlucky he is that one team has let him down in his seven timer. He's not unlucky, he's just a cunt. He my as well give me a tenner every week of the year and then I'll give him £350 back at Christmas. It's a better offer than he's getting at the moment.

[jbgb007uk]

What I will also say is be honest with yourself. Do you really think the bet you are about to place is going to win? If not just don't do it. Read around the subject more and then see if you are more interested in the bet. Avoid impulses!!!


It is hard to do, god if I could do it I would try to be a professional punter!!

[Crazyfool]

Agree with jb & odm, try and stick with the single's. Discipline is the hardest thing to master and i'm no where near mastering it, I can last for a few weeks then end up doing something stupid!!! I allow myself 1 stupid accumulator on a Saturday now but only at small stakes as its a good bit of entertainment but i'm not relying on it to come in.

Trust youre own insticts as well mate, unless you know who's giving the tip is good (ps avoid anything I tip like the plague!! lol)

[trickrick]

I have to reiterate the above.. Singles is the only way you can have a fighting chance..Add to that the value of the bet by shopping around for the best odds, and finally have some kind of bankroll management or a betting bank whatever you want to call it betting only so much of it at a time,,

[ONEDUNME]

Backing at the best odds is a good point. If you do have to have accies to hit the big one then why not pick four teams that all kick off at different times over the weekend for example. Then, not only are you not stuck with odds from one bookie for the four games but you could also bank some after each of the games to have a better chance of a return whilst still having the chance of a big payout.

Example. a tenner on four teams at evens would net you £160, whereas you might get a couple of 5/4s on the same teams at different bookies, so for example

bet one kicks off saturday 1230, you put your tenner on at 5/4 and return 22.50. Bank your stake and you're playing with the bookies money.

Second team kicks off at 3 saturday and wins at evens. You have your stake in your pocket and have £25 of their cash riding on another evens shot.

It wins and you have £50 (plus your tenner stake back). Take another tenner out to pay for your next accy and you have £40 running at 5/4 on the fourth and last leg.

If the last one lets you down you have £20 back for your tenner. If it wins you have £110 back.

If you don't like the idea of banking you stake then fair enough but what you're doing by letting it roll is just waiting for the inevitable kick in the bollocks.

[Cinny]

Cheers for the info folks i was thinking singles to be the way and im thinking of putting away so much in a sort of gambling bank and rating a single bet as you folk do on here 1-10 with the maximum bet half the bank. Make no mistake before christmas i had a lot of good luck backing accas and made a lot of money, paid a few months rent but the old 1 team knocking me has taken its toll and leaves you quite depressed and annoyed.

The fact i sat down last friday night and marked a list of teams, around 65% of the teams won yet i was down money made me start to think something was definatly wrong somewhere.

[Crazyfool]

50% of the bank is still very high mate even if it is rated a 10

[Cinny]

I was thinking it would depend how much was in the bank aswell though. For e.g if i started with £100 i would bet 50 if i thought it was a top rated bet however if i built it up to 3/400 i wouldnt bet half the bank.

[Crazyfool]

Fair enough mate, hopfully those late goals start to go in your favour!

[Cinny]

cheers mate i hope so too, notice your "crazy" accum delivered on saturday nice one. Now for the coming week till is sort myself out

[Beanie]

If you want to make a change Cinny and become more serious about the whole thing, look at how you bet, and what you bet on. The ideas above about singles and best prices are 100% correct, and also keep a record of all your bets - where you got the price, what the odds were, what the result was - all that. That will allow you to sit down after 1 month, 6 months, a losing spell, a winning spell, whatever - and see how exactly that came about, what you are doing well in, what you are doing not so well in, and from that make changes and concentrate on the markets you are strongest in.

I'm sure there's been quite a few threads on this in the past with some great posts - will try to dig a couple up tonight.

[Beanie]

Here's a nice summary from crowie:

A lot of this has been said before but always worth repeating again.

Be disciplined - no punting for the sake of it, no "interest" bets just cos a game is on the TV (unless stakes are very very small), no late night NBA/NHL/MLB punts just because your sat at work bored and want something to get you through the night....Kiko


Keep a record - starting bank, note EVERY bet you make. Include bookies, price, commission, selection, competition, type of bet. This really is a must, probably as important as being disciplined and the two really go hand in hand. No "cheating" and forgetting to record the odd losing bet. My records tell me exactly how much I have on, which bookies have my money and whats my available balance at any one time. I had 1,268 bets last year from 1/7/05 to 30/6/06 and I have a record of every one in a spreadsheet.

A couple of things I picked up from record keeping.

Some who were about on old PL may remember I used to post selections in practically all the Scottish and English leagues, right down to Div 2. Some winners, some losers but not all my bets made it to PL for one reason or another.

At the end of two seasons ago I looked at my P/L broken down per competition. I found that I sucked at English Div 1 and 2. Not surprising really, trying to cover all relevant news in these leagues as well as the CCC and EPL and 4 leagues in Scotland. It was easy to miss something important, especially local news and you were really punting at a disadvantage at times.

So I stopped betting these two leagues, just like that, and more or less the Championship as well. EPL news was in my face every day, games were on the telly etc. I read a Scottish paper every day so kept up to date with Scottish stuff, the local news that someone down south may not be able to pick up on and the sort of stuff I was missing out on for Div 1 & 2 down there. Result is I made a much better profit last season from mainly sticking to Scotland, EPL and throwing in the odd CCC as the season progressed, mainly Reading. I think in total I had maybe 2 bets on Div 1, one loser and one winner. But overall I blanked these leagues completely, didn't waste any of my time looking at them, hell I couldn't even tell you who was promoted and relegated.


It was a similar story when I looked at my laying teams on Betfair, thought I was doing well but in reality my staking was pish and my profit was actually a loss. Again, cut it out and it helps the bottom line figure.


Cutting down on both your less successful areas and the time you spend looking at these areas, which can be put to better use elsewhere, does wonders for your P/L and this can only be done through analysing your betting records therefore the need to keep a record really is a must.


Staking - as Mr M and a couple others have said, figure out what your stakes are going to be in relation to your bank. And stick to them. Review them every so often (again, from your records) and adjust accordingly.

There are two ways to go about your staking - fixed stakes or fixed profit (like Mr M). I know Doc has ran figures through his various test and he favours fixed profits as well. Me, personally, I am just more comfortable with fixed stakes.

I have essentially two types of bet I do. Based on current bank and stakes, one will be 0.5% of my current bank, the other will be 1.5%. These are pretty conservative figures in relation to my bank and probably mean I am not maximising my profit potential but again, its what I am comortable with, and that is important as well. You have to be comfortable with how much your punting. It also means its VERY unlikely I will ever go bust and if I did then you wouldn't see my round here again.

So stick to your stakes and make them a comfortable % of your overall bank. "Whole bank jobs" are for loudmouth wannabee's on the Betfair forum trying to impress a load of people they are never likely to meet in real life. The day I start to see that sort of advice on here is the day I take up Mod rights and start deleting their ass


Screw bookies for their opening account/free bet offers - if there is a new bookies offer, take advantage. Stuff like Mansion last season really had to be taken because your on a no lose situation and the only thing that can benefit is your betting bank. Don't feel its silly to lay of part of your feebie to guarantee a profit either way. Something is better than nothing. Its easily done if have patience and a good scan through comparable odds on Betfair.

I have just done another couple of new accounts, bookies I have never had an account with before, walked away with nearly £60 in my pocket/bank through no risk. It all counts. If you haven't opened at least 40 online bookies accounts now then why not, there is money out there waiting for you??!!

You may also be able to pass some benefits on to TDP if there is affiliate link in place.


Get a Neteller account and always take the best price - I have 38 bookies on my records for 2006/7. These are all accounts that I have used over the past season. There are probably about another 10 or so that I have just taken an account with to get freebie out of. 20+ my regular accounts take Neteller. All your High St favourites take it (Laddies/Hills), you Mansions and Betfairs take it and you open up markets at places like NordicBet and Expekt with ease. Its an easy way to move money around and it means you will never say again "I wish I could get that 2.10 at Nordicbet but its a lot of hassle/overseas bookie, I will just take the 2.00 at Laddies".

Take the best price when ever possible. Much like the free money, it all counts in the long run.


Thats about it for now, I am sure there is more and apologies for deviating a bit of the betting bank subject but I do think a lot of the above all goes together in relation to taking punting more seriously.

[Cinny]

Thankx for the advice mate..I'm going to start myself off as and from tonight with a £100 bank and im going to keep that money seperate and make a note of every bet i make from now on in sticking mostly as from the advice on here to singles. Im going to try and make the bets simple say £10 on a 6/4 or £5 @ 6/5 and hope to gradually build on the bank. Im going to look a lot more in depth at each game form etc as well as injuries what fans are saying online about a team etc. The hard part is going to be not just doing a bet for the sake of it ie throwing a 5er on 4 teams for the interest. Im going to give it a go anyway and see how it works. Cheers for the advice folks.