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Old 26-02-2006, 00:00
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Tough cash game play

A toughie here that annoyed me

Ill do $1/$2 stakes for the example. Assume all players have $200 stacks and no knowledge of their playing standard is available and its full ring cash table.

QQ in mid position. Early opens for $16. You call with QQ. Button calls $16 also. 3 take the flop.

Q J 10 with 2 clubs

You have top set. Early checks. You bet $40 into the $50 pot.

Button minimum raises (yuck) to $80 so $40 more to you. Early folds. Pot stands at $170. You call.

Turn - A spades

You have $100 left. You check. Button bets $100. What do you do?

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Hated that hand Flop top set and not like it. Heres my take on events...

I flat call the pre flop bet, its a very large one at 8bb and I dont expect anyone else to play behind me if I call because of that, so i will have position on the flop (I thought). If I raise I have to put in a large proportion of my stack as im going to be having to put in at least 25bb. Not too sure about doing that with QQ here as early could have a monster in AA or KK. If he re-raises all in after I raise its pretty shite for me to say the least. I think a flat call is fine here, what would you guys have done?

On the flop once its checked to me, I have to bet it I think. When the flop comes down im like sweet top set!! but then you realise AK has the straight already and thats a very likely hand for one of these to have tbh I think. So I bet, I have to bet there cos of the potential straight and flush draws so make it near pot size. Would you bet and how much?

When the guy min raised it screamed AK to me. What do you guys think? To me min raise looks a very likely AK doing a value reraise (although not a play id make with the scary board fwith flush draw for sure). It just looked bad there to me and I thought AK was very likely, it kind of made sense. I would call an all in bet here for sure if he made it. An all in bet I would say has a big draw to me, maybe clubs and a pair or even a lower set/2pair could totally make that move. But the min raise? Its pretty dodgy for any of those hands I just described to make that move after Ive shown strength, hmm.

I simply cannot lay down top set here imo. So its to call or re-raise all in. Which is the better play? With the info I have im accepting going in behind if im right on the AK so I chose to call and hope to hit a Q, J or 10 on the turn. Im 7 outs there so thats 5.5/1ish to house up. Theres $170 in pot which is only 4/1 odds BUT Im pretty sure Ill get my remaining $100 at the back paid off if I hit, which means there a potential $270 in the pot, which gives me more like 6.5/1.

Once the Ace hits the turn I check cos any king now makes a straight if he didnt already have it anyway. Once he bets me all in there $300ish in the pot and I think I have to fold there so I did. What size bet would you have called on the turn?
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